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Albums & Other Releases - Remastersed Albums 2014 and 2015

melo - Mon Dec 16, 2013 12:44 pm
Post subject: Remastersed Albums 2014 and 2015
The sound engineer David Perreau, posted on Facebook a photo in studio (Bougival?), Informing the remastering of the album Zoolook ....




The Jarre had said that their new album and their remastered back catalog would be released by Sony Music, is now expected.

shadow - Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:03 pm

You got a link to the account? Can't seem to find it...

I'd like to kindly ask him not to screw up these remasters like the entire previous bunch of albums were messed up pieces of garbage, and that's not counting his latest Jarre related fuck up called Singles and Rarities...

Velodynamic - Mon Dec 16, 2013 5:31 pm

Very promising notice. :)
Mr shadow stresses a very important point. The devil is in the details. Quality! Not quantity. :wink:

Dr_Jones - Mon Dec 16, 2013 5:32 pm

https://www.facebook.com/david.perreau.52?fref=ts

I haven't friended him, so I can't see much of his posts.

jeanbatman - Mon Dec 16, 2013 6:52 pm

shadow wrote:
You got a link to the account? Can't seem to find it...

I'd like to kindly ask him not to screw up these remasters like the entire previous bunch of albums were messed up pieces of garbage, and that's not counting his latest Jarre related fuck up called Singles and Rarities...

I hope that's why Jarre asked how the fans liked the mastering of E&R…

There is some hope for this not to occur a re-release but bonuses… #Dream :hypocrit:

Finaero - Mon Dec 16, 2013 9:00 pm

Oh, I seem to have missed the whole "Jarre's back at Sony" thing. Well, remember what happened the last time... >.<

Still, here's hoping there will be something better to wait for than what happened with the new 2013 Vangelis remasters. Still not expecting anything truly groundbreaking, but eh, time will tell.

shadow - Mon Dec 16, 2013 10:40 pm

Finaero wrote:
Oh, I seem to have missed the whole "Jarre's back at Sony" thing. Well, remember what happened the last time... >.<

Still, here's hoping there will be something better to wait for than what happened with the new 2013 Vangelis remasters. Still not expecting anything truly groundbreaking, but eh, time will tell.


Oh please don't tell me those are bad, I've been planning on getting them all for Christmas! The 2006 remastering of Chariots of Fire and the 2007 (and '13) remastering of Blade Runner are amazing! Didn't think Vangelis would let a bad mastering through when he'd be involved! :(

Dr_Jones - Tue Dec 17, 2013 1:30 pm

shadow wrote:
Finaero wrote:
Oh, I seem to have missed the whole "Jarre's back at Sony" thing. Well, remember what happened the last time... >.<

Still, here's hoping there will be something better to wait for than what happened with the new 2013 Vangelis remasters. Still not expecting anything truly groundbreaking, but eh, time will tell.


Oh please don't tell me those are bad, I've been planning on getting them all for Christmas! The 2006 remastering of Chariots of Fire and the 2007 (and '13) remastering of Blade Runner are amazing! Didn't think Vangelis would let a bad mastering through when he'd be involved! :(


worse, he pulled a George Lucas, altering the original content. Elsew.com has a review

shadow - Tue Dec 17, 2013 5:07 pm

Reading it right now:

I don't neccesary mind the changes that much (there's always the vinyl records which are mastered excellent), it is a bit of a downer that the original masters haven't just been re-released in higher quality (I think I have a general idea of what it will sound like now due to his modern work). But oh well, I was almost afraid that the Loudness War had taken over, so it's not that bad I guess...

Edit: Direct and Page of Life are completely uneffected minus some volume correction and equalization? Well good, those were the two I wanted the most anyway! :P

melo - Fri Jan 17, 2014 5:06 pm

Interview with David Perreau


http://en.jeanmicheljarre...-david-perreau/

jeanbatman - Fri Jan 17, 2014 11:00 pm

melo wrote:
Interview with David Perreau


http://en.jeanmicheljarre...-david-perreau/

I've registered to "Yakuda" as suggested in the interview, we'll see what goes ahead…

Finaero - Sat Jan 18, 2014 8:23 am

So he's the one responsible for remastering the 2011 Rarities release?

Um.

shadow - Sat Jan 18, 2014 8:22 pm

Yes and that put a big dark grim over my current expectations of his upcoming fucku... Ehmm... I mean remasters...
Robi - Sat Jan 18, 2014 11:07 pm

At least someone else - except Jarre - also mentioned the new album.
It has more credibility. Quoting the Spanish forum...

melo - Fri Jan 24, 2014 12:08 pm

From Yakuda Audio Studio (David Perreau)

Live in China, Houston Lyon, Jean Michel Jarre remastering in progress! Amazing wide, warm and depth sound! A real new experience!









shadow - Fri Jan 24, 2014 12:44 pm

These screens promise much hope, still approaching this with extreme caution...
Velodynamic - Fri Jan 24, 2014 2:08 pm

Just crossing fingers they aren't dist-roying those old goodies once more. :?
Finaero - Wed Jan 29, 2014 6:55 pm

Fingers crossed, indeed. I must say that if these new remasters won't contain anything interesting in them... well, that just might be the last straw for me. It's been 10-11 years when I first thought how neat it would be to have some old JMJ gigs on DVD but.. well, you all know what has happened in all this time.

I've been listening to the Cities in Concert version of Rendez-Vous 2 a lot lately and ... that really contains some of the best mixing in any JMJ work so far - the track sounds truly amazing and very orchestral in that album.

Aside from the fake extra audience noises, of course.

I really hope that there will be something new or at least interesting to gain from these remasters, but... :\

Robi - Wed Jan 29, 2014 9:38 pm

...but we just can not even hope ; JM seems to be too old to anything.
Kanta - Thu Jan 30, 2014 1:23 pm

Robi wrote:
...but we just can not even hope ; JM seems to be too old to anything.

Nah, he does lots e.g. travels.

chronos - Thu Jan 30, 2014 2:24 pm

Finaero wrote:
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I've been listening to the Cities in Concert version of Rendez-Vous 2 a lot lately and ... that really contains some of the best mixing in any JMJ work so far - the track sounds truly amazing and very orchestral in that album.
. :\


I think the Cities cd is poorly mixed (along with Hong Kong Live) I found the Cities In Concert CD's tempo had been sloooowed down compared to En Concert Houston/Lyon, the overall mix sounds muddy, rendezvous 4 is has been mullered, some of the "extended tracks" are actually remixes and not what was played in concert.

Nah.. think I'll stick to the my radio broadcast of the Lyon show!

Finaero - Thu Jan 30, 2014 2:38 pm

chronos wrote:
Nah.. think I'll stick to the my radio broadcast of the Lyon show!


No contest there, that one's a genuine gem.

(Even with the intrusive radio jingle at the beginning of Equinoxe 7 and RV4 <.<)

chronos - Thu Jan 30, 2014 3:17 pm

Finaero wrote:

(Even with the intrusive radio jingle at the beginning of Equinoxe 7 and RV4 <.<)


They where so intrusive, I knocked up my own version of the "Cities in Concert CD". Using recording from the Houston & Lyon radio broadcasts, mixing it together with extracts taken from the official videos, gave the sound quality a bit of enhancing too. Chose to use Houston's Equinoxe 7 rather than Lyon (you can hear Christine Durand, Soprano, towards the end) and Rendezvous 4 just kicks ass. Where the radio broadcast jingles cut-up the intro of the tracks, i mixed the intro's from video, then blend in the radio broadcast. Still listen to now.

melo - Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:07 am

Remasters are in status to release next April by Sony Music in AMAZON GERMANY:


http://www.amazon.de/s/re...=date-desc-rank

jeanbatman - Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:48 am

melo wrote:
Remasters are in status to release next April by Sony Music in AMAZON GERMANY:


http://www.amazon.de/s/re...=date-desc-rank

Yes, but only the first three live and studio albums are mentionned, I wonder why… :?

shadow - Sat Mar 08, 2014 12:38 pm

Quote:
Les Concerts en Chine 1981 (Live) von Jean-Michel Jarre (2014) - Doppel-CD


Two disc again? Why? Modern CD's support up to 80 minutes and the original two disc release lasts 79 and 17 second, so that should fit on one disc. Plus where the hell is Zoolook? :|

Finaero - Sat Mar 08, 2014 1:41 pm

Here's hoping for a mini-LP style packaging for them ;]

(And more importantly, actually good - nay, GREAT! - remastering)

Black Bird - Sat Mar 08, 2014 11:37 pm

Thank you Melo for the link :)

Did you know: He played and recorded "Oxgene" again in Lint (Belgium )at the Alfacam Studios on the 19th of September last year. Also a 3D-DVD Version ! :clap:

Here is the source from German Amazon:

Zum 30-jährigen Jubiläum von „Oxygène“, diesem Meilenstein der Populärmusik, hat der Klangvisionär Jean Michel Jarre noch einmal diejenigen Originalinstrumente zusammengestellt (neben diversen Synthesizern von A.R.P., A.K.S. und V.C.S. unter anderem Mellotron, Farfisaorgel und frühe Rhythmuscomputer), mit denen das Album seinerzeit aufgenommen wurde und „Oxygène“ mit Unterstützung von Francis Rimbert, Claude Samard und Dominique Perrier live eingespielt. Die Aufnahmen fanden am 19. September vor geladenen Gästen in den Alfacam-Studios im belgischen Lint statt, in einer der modernsten Einrichtungen für High-Definition-Aufnahmen. Nicht nur wurde mit 5.1 Surround Sound und Dolby Digital der optimale Klang erzielt, auch die High Definition und speziell die zusätzlichen 3D-Filmaufnahmen mit speziellen stereoskopischen Kameras sind der Zeit fast schon voraus; zwar arbeitet Philips an einem Plasma-Bildschirm, der von sich aus 3D-Bilder erzeugen kann, für die 3D-DVD-Version von „Oxygène“ werden jedoch noch die entsprechenden 3D-Brillen mitgeliefert.

Here is the whole Skript:

Der französische Komponist und Musiker Jean Michel Jarre hat mit seinem Pioniergeist die Entwicklung der elektronischen Popmusik entscheidend mitgeprägt. Als vor etwas mehr als 30 Jahren, genauer gesagt 1976, sein Album „Oxygène“ erschien, da hatte dieses sechsteilige Opus etwas gewagt Avantgardistisches, doch schon ein Jahr später befand sich dieser so glänzend in Szene gesetzte Klangkosmos auf einem weltweiten Siegeszug. Bis heute wurden von dem Longplayer mehr als zwölf Millionen Exemplare verkauft. Legendär, ja prophetisch war auch das Cover-Artwork, ein Bild vom Blauen Planeten, unter dessen sich schälender Kruste ein menschlicher Schädel zu erkennen ist. Prophetisch deswegen, weil Jean Michel Jarre schon in jungen Jahren mit diesem symbolträchtigen Bild sein ausgeprägtes Umweltbewusstsein visualisierte. Sein politisches Engagement für den Umweltschutz kommt auch in seinem jahrelangen Engagement als UNESCO-Sonderbotschafter zum Ausdruck.

Zum 30-jährigen Jubiläum von „Oxygène“, diesem Meilenstein der Populärmusik, hat der Klangvisionär Jean Michel Jarre noch einmal diejenigen Originalinstrumente zusammengestellt (neben diversen Synthesizern von A.R.P., A.K.S. und V.C.S. unter anderem Mellotron, Farfisaorgel und frühe Rhythmuscomputer), mit denen das Album seinerzeit aufgenommen wurde und „Oxygène“ mit Unterstützung von Francis Rimbert, Claude Samard und Dominique Perrier live eingespielt. Die Aufnahmen fanden am 19. September vor geladenen Gästen in den Alfacam-Studios im belgischen Lint statt, in einer der modernsten Einrichtungen für High-Definition-Aufnahmen. Nicht nur wurde mit 5.1 Surround Sound und Dolby Digital der optimale Klang erzielt, auch die High Definition und speziell die zusätzlichen 3D-Filmaufnahmen mit speziellen stereoskopischen Kameras sind der Zeit fast schon voraus; zwar arbeitet Philips an einem Plasma-Bildschirm, der von sich aus 3D-Bilder erzeugen kann, für die 3D-DVD-Version von „Oxygène“ werden jedoch noch die entsprechenden 3D-Brillen mitgeliefert.

„Oxygène“ war und ist der klingende Beweis, dass Musik alles andere als schnelllebig sein muss. Noch heute ist das Album ein Referenzwerk für die unterschiedlichsten Anlässe, wobei gerade die Neuauflage auch klanglich ganz neue Maßstäbe setzen wird. Das Album definierte geradezu den Space-Sound – Ausschnitte des Albums sind bis heute nicht nur als Untermalung für Aufnahmen aus dem All populär, sondern werden auch für unzählige Natur- und Tierdokumentationen eingesetzt.
Schon einige Jahre vor der Veröffentlichung von „Oxygène“ hat sich Jean Michel Jarre, Jahrgang 1948, Sohn des bekannten Filmkomponisten Maurice Jarre (der sich jedoch früh von der Familie trennt und nach Hollywood auswandert) der Musik verschrieben. In den frühen Sechzigern versucht sich Jarre zunächst als Gitarrist bei den beiden von ihm gegründeten Bands Dustbins und Mystère IV, bevor er 1969 eine ganz andere Richtung einschlägt und sich der Groupe de Recherches Musicales anschließt, die sich mit der sogenannten Musique concrète befasst. Es bleibt aber bei einem einjährigen Intermezzo. 1971 avanciert er mit seiner elektroakustischen Ballettmusik „Aor“ zum jüngsten Komponisten, dessen Werk an der Oper von Paris aufgeführt wird. In den nächsten Jahren komponiert er für Film, Fernsehen und Werbung, schreibt aber auch Musik für französische Künstler wie Françoise Hardy, Christophe und Patrick Juvet.

1976 offenbart Jean Michel Jarre das erste visionäre Resultat seiner Synthesizerexperimente, das frühe Meisterwerk „Oxygène“, millionenfach verkauft, weltweit bewundert und in Frankreich mit dem Prix de l’Académie Charles Cros ausgezeichnet. Zwei Jahre später folgt mit „Equinoxe“ nicht nur ein musikalisch würdiges Nachfolgeprojekt, das Jarres Ruf als Schöpfer innovativer Klänge bestätigt, im Zuge der Albumveröffentlichung kommt es auch zu einer ersten von vielen denkwürdigen Liveaufführungen, die Jean Michel Jarre international bekannt und die ihn zu einem der außergewöhnlichsten Performancekünstler unserer Zeit machen werden. Sein Open-Air-Konzert auf dem Place de la Concorde in Paris bringt eine Million Zuschauer zusammen und damit dem Künstler seinen ersten Eintrag ins Guinness Buch der Rekorde ein.

1981 erscheint sein drittes Album, „Magnetic Fields“. Im selben Jahr wird Jarre als erster westlicher Künstler nach Maos Tod in die Volksrepublik China eingeladen, wo er in Peking und Shanghai insgesamt fünf Konzerte gibt, die am Radio und im Fernsehen von 500 Millionen Chinesen verfolgt werden. Das geschichtsträchtige Großereignis wird auf dem Doppelalbum „Concerts In China“ verewigt. 1983 folgt eine der wohl kuriosesten Albumveröffentlichungen: „Music For Supermarkets“ ist ein politisches Statement gegen Kommerzialisierung und erscheint als Unikat, das in einem Pariser Auktionshaus versteigert wird. Das Album wird zuvor ein einziges Mal im Radio gespielt, die Mastertapes werden nach der Versteigerung vernichtet.

1984 erscheint „Zoolook“, das in den USA zum Instrumentalalbum des Jahres gekürt und in Frankreich mit dem Victoire de la Musique und dem Prix de l’Académie Charles Cros ausgezeichnet wird. Auf dem Album geht Jarre künstlerisch neue Wege und hat mit Laurie Anderson, Adrian Belew und Marcus Miller gearbeitet, wobei vor allem die vielen fremdsprachlichen Intonationen „Zoolook“ zum vielfach gesampleten Werk machen.

1986 inszeniert Jarre auf Einladung der Stadt Houston und der NASA einen weiteren denkwürdigen Live-Event. Die Live-Aufführung seines neuen Albums „Rendez-Vous“ in Houston vor der Rekordkulisse von 1,3 Millionen Zuschauern bringt ihm seinen zweiten Eintrag ins Guinness Buch; das Magazin People wählt ihn zur europäischen Persönlichkeit des Jahres. Nach seiner Rückkehr nach Frankreich wird er von seiner Heimatstadt Lyon eingeladen, zum Besuch von Papst Johannes Paul II. live aufzutreten, auch diesmal vor einer imposanten Zahl von einer Million Zuschauern. Ein Jahr später dokumentiert das Live-Doppelalbum „Houston-Lyon, Cities In Concert“ diese Events. Jarre wird mit zwei weiteren Victoires de la Musique ausgezeichnet, für das Instrumentalalbum des Jahres („Rendez-Vous“) und für das Konzert des Jahres (Houston).

1988 wird „Revolutions“ veröffentlicht, eine der ersten Fusionen aus elektronischer Musik und arabischen Klängen. Im selben Jahr gibt Jarre unter schwierigsten Wetterbedingungen zwei Konzerte in den Londoner Docklands. Die 250.000 Tickets hatten sich in Windeseile verkauft, gehören die Briten doch von Anbeginn an zu seinen größten Fans. Unter den Ehrengästen ist auch Prinzessin Diana.

„Waiting For Cousteau“, das 1990 veröffentlichte Album, ist Jarres zehntes Werk. Es ist von der Meereswelt inspiriert, wie sie der berühmte Ozeanograph Jaques-Yves Cousteau der Welt nahegebracht hat. Am 14. Juli 1990 kommt es zu einem weiteren bahnbrechenden Konzert. In Paris-La-Défense erleben 2,5 Millionen Menschen Jean Michel Jarre live. Ein Jahr später erscheint mit „Images“ eine Compilation seiner bekanntesten Stücke. 1992 gibt er drei Open-Air-Konzerte in Südafrika.

1993 erscheint das Konzeptalbum „Chronologie“, eine Reise durch die Mechanismen und Evolution der Zeit. Gesponsert von Swatch, bricht er mit dem preisgekrönten Werk zu seiner ersten großen Tournee auf: Europe in Concert. Die ausverkaufte Konzertreise führt ihn von Mont-Saint-Michel und dem Schloss Versailles zu den größten Stadien Kontinentaleuropas, darunter das Wembley Stadion, das Olympiastadion in Barcelona und das Nepstadion in Budapest. Er ist der einzige französische Musiker, der solche Stadien ausverkaufen kann. 1994 spielt Jarre anlässlich einer Stadioneröffnung in Hong Kong.

1995 gibt Jarre am Fuß des Pariser Eiffelturms ein Konzert unter der Schirmherrschaft der UNESCO, für die er seit zwei Jahren als Sonderbotschafter tätig ist. Dieses „Concert pour la tolérance“ erleben 1,2 Millionen Zuschauer. Im selben Jahr wird Jean Michel Jarre von der französischen Regierung mit dem „Chevalier de la Légion d’honneur“ geehrt.

1997 veröffentlicht Jarre mit „Oxygène 7-13“ die Fortsetzung seines erfolgreichsten Albums und will damit seine frühen Inspirationen zwei Dekaden später in ein künstlerisch neues Licht setzen. Die anschließende Tournee durch Europa ist ausverkauft, wird jedoch durch einen weiteren Guinnessbuchrekord übertroffen: Jarre wird nach Russland eingeladen und spielt eines der bestbesuchten Open-Air-Konzerte aller Zeiten. 3,5 Millionen Zuschauer erleben, wie Jarre während des Konzerts in Moskau über eine Videoverbindung sogar Kontakt mit den russischen Kosmonauten der MIR aufnimmt.

1998 nimmt Jarre gemeinsam mit der britischen Electro-Formation Apollo 440 mit „Rendez-vous 98“ eine Single für das offizielle Album der in Frankreich stattfindenden Fußballweltmeisterschaft auf. Zwei Tage nach dem Finalsieg Frankreichs inszeniert Jean Michel Jarre ein weiteres Konzert am Eiffelturm unter dem Jubel seiner französischen Fans. Als Gäste wirken Apollo 440 und der japanische Superstar Tetsuya „TK“ Komuro mit.

Am 31. Dezember 1999 inszeniert Jean Michel Jarre im Auftrag der ägyptischen Regierung sein historisches Millennium Konzert vor der imposanten Kulisse der Pyramiden von Gizeh. 120.000 Menschen erleben das von Sonnenaufgang bis Sonnenuntergang gehende Konzertereignis, bei dem Jarre Musik aus verschiedenen Epochen und Kulturkreisen zu einer einmaligen Fusion aus traditionell arabischer, symphonischer und elektronischer Musik kombiniert. Zwei Milliarden Fernsehzuschauer in aller Welt sehen dieses Konzert. Hinzu kommen zwei Millionen Menschen, die eine 35-minütige Übertragung im Internet verfolgen.

Im Jahr 2000 erscheint Jean Michel Jarres Album „Metamorphoses“, an dem die unterschiedlichsten Sängerinnen mitwirken: Laurie Anderson, Natacha Atlas, Deirdre Dubois (Ekova) und Sharon Corr (The Corrs). Das außergewöhnliche und im übrigen einzige Gesangsalbum zählt zu den persönlichsten Werken des Komponisten. Anschließend arbeitet Jarre gemeinsam mit dem Science-Fiction-Autor Arthur C. Clarke an dem Musical „2001 – Rendezvous In Space“, eine visuell extraordinäre Odyssee, die am 1. Januar 2001 im japanischen Okinawa uraufgeführt wird. Im Juni desselben Jahres gibt Jarre im Auftrag des griechischen Kulturministeriums zwei Konzerte im Odeion des Herodes Atticus in der Athener Akropolis. Die Serie ungewöhnlicher Konzertorte setzt sich im September 2002 fort, als Jean Michel Jarre in Dänemark inmitten einer Windkraftanlage spielt. Auch aufnahmetechnisch setzt Jarre neue Maßstäbe: 2004 erscheint mit der Studioaufnahme des live in Dänemark aufgeführten „AERO“ ein Werk auf CD und DVD in Dolby Surround Sound.

Im Jahr 2004 gibt Jean Michel Jarre auch anlässlich des „Französischen Jahres“ als erster westlicher Künstler Konzerte in der Verbotenen Stadt in Peking und auf dem Platz des Himmlischen Friedens. Im chinesischen Fernsehen verfolgen zwei Milliarden Menschen das Spektakel, das auch in Frankreich übertragen wird. Anlässlich des 25-jährigen Jubiläums der Solidarnosc-Bewegung in Polen gibt Jarre 2005 auf der Schiffswerft von Danzig ein Konzert vor 170.000 Zuschauern, das zudem in Polen sieben Millionen Fernsehzuschauer erleben.

In Zusammenarbeit mit den Vereinten Nationen und der UNESCO inszeniert Jarre im Dezember 2006 eine ungewöhnliche Show in Marokko. Vor der atemberaubenden Kulisse der Dünen von Merzouga wirbt er mit dem Konzert für das UN-Programm „Water for Life“. Sein bislang letztes Studioalbum, „Téo & Téa“, ein sich um zwei Jugendliche in der Danceszene rankendes Konzeptalbum, erscheint im Frühjahr 2007.

Neben seinen eigenen Alben hat Jean Michel Jarre auch immer wieder unterschiedlichste Auftragsarbeiten angenommen. Er hat an vielen Soundtracks mitgewirkt, darunter für Filme wie „Die Hamburger Krankheit“ (1978) von Peter Fleischmann, „Gallipolli“ (1979) von Peter Weir und „9 ½ Wochen“ (1986) von Adrian Lyne. Er hat einen Dokumentarfilm von Cousteau vertont, das Sounddesign für einen französischen Kabelkanal entworfen und das visuelle und klangliche Design für die Bang & Olufsen Filiale auf der Champs-Elysées. Er hat etliche Videoinstallationen kreiert, unter anderem eine zum Thema Schönheit während der Millenniumsausstellung in Avignon. Desweiteren ist er auch als Sprecher für die IFPI (International Federation of the Phonographic Industry) aktiv und setzt sich für die Legalisierung von Internet Copyrights beim Europäischen Parlament ein.

Jean Michelle Jarre, von dessen Werken bis heute weltweit weit mehr als 60 Millionen Exemplare verkauft wurden, ist immer ein großer Visionär geblieben, der mit seiner Musik nicht minder viel Aufsehen erregt hat wie mit seinen visuell prachtvollen Liveauftritten, die ihn zu einem der bemerkenswertesten Performancekünstler unserer Zeit gemacht haben. Die bahnbrechende Umsetzung von „Oxygène“ zum 30-jährigen Jubiläum dieses Meisterwerks in High Definition Sound und 3D-Vision ist ein weiterer Meilenstein in seinem Gesamtschaffen. So brillant und intim wie „Oxygène – Live In Your Living Room“ war das Album bis dato noch nie zu hören. Es dürfte nicht nur treue Fans begeistern, sondern auch eine neue Generation von Liebhabern elektronischer Musik faszinieren

Sorry, I have no time to translate :mrgreen:
but ask me, if you don´t understand

Dr_Jones - Sun Mar 09, 2014 3:47 pm

Black Bird wrote:
Thank you Melo for the link :)

Did you know: He played and recorded "Oxgene" again in Lint (Belgium )at the Alfacam Studios on the 19th of September last year. Also a 3D-DVD Version ! :clap:


Ehm, that was in 2007...

Black Bird - Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:05 am

Hmm. are you sure ? I know there is an Oxgene 30th anniversery .
This is "Oxygene " from 2014 offered by Amazon Germany .
Release will be at the 25.April 2014. Do you think it´s the same ? :nico:
Maybe ???

Dr_Jones - Mon Mar 10, 2014 10:53 am

Black Bird wrote:
Hmm. are you sure ? I know there is an Oxgene 30th anniversery .
This is "Oxygene " from 2014 offered by Amazon Germany .
Release will be at the 25.April 2014. Do you think it´s the same ? :nico:
Maybe ???


No, the performance in Lint was because of the 30th anniversary of the album Oxygene, just like it said in the article.

RemarkableRadio - Tue Mar 11, 2014 6:24 am

Help me out guys, why would I want these remastered albums?

I doubt anything new would on these albums.

Dr_Jones - Tue Mar 11, 2014 8:05 am

RemarkableRadio wrote:
Help me out guys, why would I want these remastered albums?

I doubt anything new would on these albums.


There's a chance they're better than the 1997 remasters which were absymal.

Velodynamic - Tue Mar 11, 2014 8:12 am

RemarkableRadio wrote:
Help me out guys, why would I want these remastered albums?

I doubt anything new would on these albums.

Because the existing CD remasters from Sony etc. appearently sounds like crap. They didn't do a very good job.
But mostly it's important for new listners to be invited to the world of Jean Michel Jarre sounds with the best possible sound quality (we hopes).

shadow - Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:55 am

RemarkableRadio wrote:
Help me out guys, why would I want these remastered albums?

I doubt anything new would on these albums.


Hopefully an ever so slightly equalization and corrected the volume and call it a day. The 1997 remasters are so-so for most concert albums and pretty much every studio album is horrid. I do hope some unreleased and/or alternate mixes make their way in. It's not like Zoolook and Zoolookologie have three different mixes (original release, remix release and remasterd release) and they could easily fit on one disc. Hell put the extended remix's on the disc while your at it! :|

RemarkableRadio - Wed Mar 12, 2014 9:35 am

I never bought the remastered albums in 1997. I have the original ones and those are fine for me. I will stick with that for now.
If new tracks emerge, I will reconsider. But buying everything because of a different cover or 10 seconds extra music.... not for me.
Thanks though!

Finaero - Wed Mar 12, 2014 9:26 pm

For many years, I stuck with the 1997 remasters and didn't really care for the others. Of course, then I started collecting vinyls and, well, haven't really looked back at the 1997s ever since. But yeah, I'm probably gonna skip out on these new remasters unless they have real true extra stuff in them.

There's one thing that the 1997 remasters got right and I hope they will get it right (or better) this time as well. And that is including the proper 4:14 version of Zoolookologie on Zoolook. But we're just gonna have to wait and see. 8)

shadow - Thu Mar 13, 2014 11:22 am

Finaero wrote:
There's one thing that the 1997 remasters got right and I hope they will get it right (or better) this time as well. And that is including the proper 4:14 version of Zoolookologie on Zoolook. But we're just gonna have to wait and see. 8)


Actually the original (CD) release was 4:21, the remastered featured yet another remix of both Zoolook and Zoolookologie. I still wonder which version will end up on the new release: the original, the remix, the remastered remix or yet another remix...

Finaero - Thu Mar 13, 2014 12:27 pm

[EDIT] Yeah, the 4:10-4:30 version's the one I'm referring to. Sounds a lot nicer than the remix version, even though the Extended Mix (which is based on the remix) is also quite good, to be honest. :]
melo - Sun Mar 16, 2014 5:00 pm

Remasterization of "Rendez Vous"(86) and "Revolutions" (88)


shadow - Sun Mar 16, 2014 10:12 pm

Try rehosting the image ;)
Kanta - Mon Mar 17, 2014 5:51 pm

shadow wrote:
Try rehosting the image ;)

Official Yakuda Audio Facebook page - link to photo: https://www.facebook.com/...&type=1&theater

melo - Mon Mar 17, 2014 6:36 pm

A new link for the pic:


shadow - Mon Mar 17, 2014 8:23 pm

The waveform look excellent, only problem is rather is this the before or after picture! :(
Velodynamic - Mon Mar 17, 2014 10:34 pm

What happens when the label starts massproducing CD's?
Will waveforms stay the same through the whole process to the finished product?

Black Bird - Tue Mar 18, 2014 5:57 pm

RemarkableRadio wrote:
I never bought the remastered albums in 1997. I have the original ones and those are fine for me. I will stick with that for now.
If new tracks emerge, I will reconsider. But buying everything because of a different cover or 10 seconds extra music.... not for me.
Thanks though!


The same for me. I have the original venyl records. and the same on CD :D
I will only buy new material.

shadow - Tue Mar 18, 2014 7:17 pm

Velodynamic wrote:
What happens when the label starts massproducing CD's?
Will waveforms stay the same through the whole process to the finished product?


From the moment the final mix has been deliverd for massproduction the waveform shouldn't change. Maybe a few bits get lost in the process that's always something that can happen, but it shouldn't change anything audible to the human ear anyway. It's not like Vinyl where it's depended on so many different factors, on a CD the final mix is what ends up on CD, just in lower quality ofcourse.

Edit: I'll see if I'll consider a re-buy, seeing how in most cases I have the 1997 remastered editions because those were the ones being sold when I bought them (I'm still young so excuse me :p). I know for a fact that I'll be replacing Equinoxe because that one... Oh dear lord :')

melo - Fri Apr 04, 2014 7:46 pm

Ok, Amazon.de update with some covers of the new remasters - serie 2014

Sony change cover of "Cities in Concert" and "Destination: Docklands". And China(82) is a double pack again...and I saw something different on Equinoxe font...

Oxygene




Equinoxe





Magnetic Fields






Concert in China :





Cities in Concert Houston/Lyon





Destination Docklands





Source:

http://www.amazon.de/s/re...&sort=date-desc

shadow - Fri Apr 04, 2014 10:38 pm

Oh my... That cover of Cities in Concert is gorgeous!
Kanta - Fri Apr 04, 2014 11:33 pm

shadow wrote:
Oh my... That cover of Cities in Concert is gorgeous!

Yes, I agree. That alone is tempting me to buy...!

jeanbatman - Sat Apr 05, 2014 10:31 am

shadow wrote:
Oh my... That cover of Cities in Concert is gorgeous!

Great indeed!

Herr Dunkel - Sun Apr 06, 2014 5:22 am

Hopefully the back of Cities in Concert shows Lyon for good measure ;-)

The Docklands cover is a nice update, albeit a bit too much "in your face" maybe.

The weight of the typeface on Oxygène is too heavy. The original is a bit thinner and looks nicer. Take a close look at letter "R" for example.

Hopefully the picture for Équinoxe is not the actual cover, because it's seriously messed up... The audience characters are not centered as they are on the original, there is some overlap on the right and letters "NOXE" are bigger than the others...

Let's hope more care is given to the sound than was given to the covers. Why does Sony think we need remasters again anyway? ;-)

Cheers,

HD

Jon - Sun Apr 06, 2014 3:20 pm

What a wasted shame they are sticking with remasters instead of adding some extra material for fans. Here again are reasons to not buy in my book. If JMJ has moved over to Sony, I was expecting something bigger than remastered yet the same old re-issues. If they had have put some extra content in, then that would have been a good foundation for future releases.
shadow - Sun Apr 06, 2014 7:20 pm

Gotta agree with that, personally I'd love to have seen the original Equinoxe version on the new release. I quite enjoy the more funky version of Part 5! :nod:
Herr Dunkel - Sun Apr 06, 2014 7:34 pm

Totally agree with Jon, Shadow and Black Bird... There's really no point in those remasters for the fans (except maybe for the completists) as they already have the albums. Trying to sell them the reissues again is disrespectful ;-)

What Sony could have done is some kind of retrospective of the studio albums (no need for the "live" albums apart from The Concerts in China). I doubt there are many outtakes, but they could have included a rough mix of the albums for example that shows the work in progress. Also maybe an accompanying booklet that gives some insight and analysis on the albums, placing them in their historic, technical, trend and commercial contexts, etc. A bit like what is done for releases of classical music, where they often have interesting liner notes. Jarre's chronology (no pun intended) is a history of electronic instruments, so there would be plenty to write about.

Since JMJ has been interested in 5.1 they could have made 5.1 mixes of the old albums. I'm not a big fan of such treatment, but at least that would be something a bit different from a remaster that's merely going to be the same as the original, only compressed and with the volume cranked up to 11.

Or they could have made comprehensive compilations of all the remixes and alternate versions that have been released throughout the years and are hard to find on 7", 12", maxi-CD, etc., again with some background info on those. Granted, this stuff is for fans only, but hey.

But all this is more work and research than remasters...

Don't get me wrong, I'm not bitching about it, everybody's trying to make a buck, right? it's just seems to be a missed opportunity. Oh well...

Cheers,

HD

Jon - Sun Apr 06, 2014 8:33 pm

Blimey, that EQUINOXE cover font does stand out like a sore thumb. Hopefully that will be picked upon and rectified... hopefully.
Pat Gleeson - Sun Apr 06, 2014 8:37 pm

Danielle Fueillerat stated that Universal were the front runners to acquire the JMJ FDM back catalogue, but had to pull out as they (Universal) bought EMI/Virgin.
Universal do pretty good re-issues as regards content, but screw up occaisonally with sound glitches. What might have been ...

Velodynamic - Mon Apr 07, 2014 12:18 am

I don't like the changes of covers for one bit. If no changes is done to the track lists they darn well doesn't deserve other album covers then the original ones.
Finaero - Mon Apr 07, 2014 9:55 am

While the one for Cities in Concert actually looks nice, it's actually very easy to make at home (find the correct photo, type the text and add a slight glow effect on it). Dunno what they're after with the one for Docklands and the one for Equinoxe is just horrible.

So these shabby covers + the same guy responsible for Essentials & Rarities in charge of the new remasters = uh oh

But I'm still hoping for them to pleasantly surprise me. Of course, it hasn't really happened in the past 11 years (still no PLD DVD) but, well, one can hope.

shadow - Mon Apr 07, 2014 2:22 pm

Finaero wrote:
So these shabby covers + the same guy responsible for Essentials & Rarities in charge of the new remasters = uh oh


This is what worries me the most, I am looking into replacing my Equinoxe and Magentic Fields discs because of the horrendous remastering those went through in '97. But if E&R is anything to go by...

Finaero wrote:
But I'm still hoping for them to pleasantly surprise me. Of course, it hasn't really happened in the past 11 years (still no PLD DVD) but, well, one can hope.


All concerts with exception of China are worthless for DVD. They're all recorded on VHS in either PAL or NTSC. The resolution has been set, and while many VHS artifacts can be dealt with it's still VHS in the end. They were recorded on analoge video and it'll really never look anything better than it did when it was first aired. All these concerts were handled shortsighted. VHS was probably the easier format no doubt. Tape full? Just eject and insert a new one, problem solved. But it's by far the worst format they could have gone with for later releases.

Dr_Jones - Mon Apr 07, 2014 2:23 pm

as long as the URL for the website is correct... the 1997 Oxygene remaster had this url:
www.jrsnmivhrljsttr.com



Finaero - Mon Apr 07, 2014 4:44 pm

shadow wrote:
The resolution has been set, and while many VHS artifacts can be dealt with it's still VHS in the end.


Yeah, which is why I didn't write "PLD BluRay" on my original post. A DVD would be a lot more convenient than a video cassette, though.

(On a second thought, the MP4 rip of a VHS->DVD conversion of PLD is the most convenient one ;) )

A shame about the China concert video, though. I got the one-off Australian DVD release in 2008 and while the quality is higher than a fanmade VHS->DVD one (due to being a transfer of the Australian TV version), well, one can still imagine what a full remaster would be like...

... or rather, a full remaster of a new 100% full recut, the video itself is quite horrible (IMO) as a concert video but rather entertaining as a ... montage.

*shrug*

Anyway, time to listen to the MFSL vinyl version of Equinoxe. Such greatness. 8)

melo - Thu Apr 10, 2014 6:14 pm

JEAN MICHEL JARRE: NEW SONY RE-MASTERED ALBUM RELEASES


Quote:
After half a decade of going it alone without being signed to a major record label, Jean Michel Jarre signed a new contract with Sony last year, ahead of his proposed new studio album release, which is currently pencilled in for an early 2015 release.

This will be his first new studio album release since 2007's 'TEO & TEA' on the Warner Music France label (not counting the re-release of 'OXYGENE' on the EMI label later that same year).

The new contract with Sony allows for the re-mastering and re-releasing of Jean Michel Jarre's entire back catalogue, and the first of these re-mastered releases should be available from April 25th 2014 in both digital and physical formats.


'DESTINATION DOCKLANDS'
2014 Re-Master Artwork
© 2014 Sony


Jean Michel Jarre's Management have confirmed to JARRE UK, that the re-mastered releases are expected to be released over the coming months, and although some will have updated artwork, there will be no changes to the tracklisting from the original album releases, and no bonus tracks added.

The first wave of remastered releases appears to include 'OXYGENE', 'EQUINOXE', 'THE CONCERTS IN CHINA', 'CITIES IN CONCERT: HOUSTON / LYON' and 'DESTINATION DOCKLANDS' at the time of writing.

Jean Michel Jarre's Management have also confirmed to JARRE UK that there are no current plans for any of Jean Michel Jarre's previously released videos and DVDs to be re-released on Blu-Ray, and this includes any previously unreleased footage.

JARRE UK would like to thank Aero Productions for this information.



Source: http://jarreuk.blogspot.co.uk/[URL= http://jarreuk.blogspot.co.uk/] http://jarreuk.blogspot.co.uk/[/URL]

Finaero - Thu Apr 10, 2014 6:52 pm

Alright, now that the news is official, that's it for me.

See you later, space cowboys and cowgirls. And long live Paris La Defense!

Dr_Jones - Thu Apr 10, 2014 7:28 pm

I think we can just forget the concerts being released on DVD.
Robi - Thu Apr 10, 2014 10:07 pm

This **** to be called news?

The entire "Jarre-empire", every members, one by one - regarding to their work with/for JM - are a big load of **** !

MOD EDIT: Unacceptable language used.

Jon - Thu Apr 10, 2014 11:52 pm

What a humongous let down, not only for the re-releases and no new material, but mainly for the concert footage. If there is one artist worthy of the attention, it is Jarre.

JMJ, you picked the wrong company going with Sony if this is how they are to support you.

Sad day, sad day indeed :cry:

Pat Gleeson - Fri Apr 11, 2014 11:14 am

Jon wrote:
JMJ, you picked the wrong company going with Sony if this is how they are to support you.


Actually JMJ is the issue here IMO. There is every chance that Sony would have agreed to at least bolster the CD reissues with bonus material. (They wanted to in 1997).
Sony probably feel that the horse had bolted years before on any DVD release making commercial sense - again JMJ dropped the ball there.
One things for sure - the fans are not being catered for ..

... and if the 2015 album is a flop, he can't blame FDM this time ...

I have to say I'm very disillusioned - to be point of retreating from online discussion. What's the point of flogging a dead horse?

I would be quite happy to eat crow if all this is forgotten in 12 months, but for now I'll retreat into occaisonal lurk mode.
I've waited 14 years, that's the hell long enough ...

Kanta - Fri Apr 11, 2014 11:14 am

No, there are sadder things in life. Can't fans just be grateful he is doing something even though it does not please them much!
Jon - Fri Apr 11, 2014 11:51 am

Kanta wrote:
No, there are sadder things in life. Can't fans just be grateful he is doing something even though it does not please them much!


I wholeheartedly agree as in reality there are indeed more serious issues going on in the world. But as this is a Jarre forum and a Jarre topic, the content is under discussion which does not associate with other worldly affairs :D Gratitude doesn't come into it until the artist has released new material to gain the gratitude from his fan base, specially after all this time and with little to no input from the artist for such a lengthy duration :D

Now doubt these remasters will come under scrutiny from some Jarre fans to see if they better the originals and the 97 releases. If not, they will come under fire. We have to accept that. If Jarre and Sony believe that reissues are enough to sustain both Jarre, Sony and the fan base, then we have to live with that decision until the time comes for new material, when ever that will be :D

Kanta - Fri Apr 11, 2014 1:08 pm

Worst scenario, he retires that is what I was thinking of.
Velodynamic - Fri Apr 11, 2014 8:51 pm

Compared with other world wide famous artists of the same era these remaster releases feels like a joke. Eventhough yes indeed "hurrah" at least something with JMJ's music on it.
If there would be a good opportunity to release anything on Blu-Ray, it couldn't possibly be any better then right now while JMJ's name is signed under Sony. The brand which literally invented the Blu-Ray format...but no. I'm trying really hard to understand this. All I can think of is that the recording quality from the older concerts are so stinking poor that it doesn't even gain any better quality then some terrible VHS standard.
Another version is that JMJ has made up his mind..."nothing from me on Blu-Ray"...and is really stubborn about it.
In that case the only question is WHY not?

melo - Fri Apr 11, 2014 9:21 pm

It is bad news for the Brazilian fans.

SONY MUSIC OF BRAZIL announced that NO RELEASE the new remastered ISSUE in Brazil.

Like they were not released in 1997 !!!

:roll: :roll: :roll:

shadow - Fri Apr 11, 2014 9:44 pm

No worries, you missed nothing and probably won't again. Those remasters are godawful...
Kanta - Fri Apr 11, 2014 10:13 pm

If it has the master's name on it, then it will special to some I hope...
Robi - Fri Apr 11, 2014 11:11 pm

Kanta wrote:
If it has the master's name on it, then it will special to some I hope...


:lol:

jeanbatman - Fri Apr 11, 2014 11:19 pm

Dr_Jones wrote:
I think we can just forget the concerts being released on DVD.

It's just a thought then, the Aero prod message only mentions Blu-ray discs.

Kanta - Sat Apr 12, 2014 12:37 am

Robi wrote:
Kanta wrote:
If it has the master's name on it, then it will special to some I hope...


:lol:

:fine:

PS Remember Robi you are on a warning but smilies are allowed.

Robi - Sun Apr 13, 2014 8:13 pm

Kanta wrote:
Robi wrote:
Kanta wrote:
If it has the master's name on it, then it will special to some I hope...


:lol:

:fine:

PS Remember Robi you are on a warning but smilies are allowed.


Who cares - You care ! :fine:

melo - Tue Apr 15, 2014 6:16 pm

Does someone got access this news from Germany ?



http://www.mediabiz.de/mu...-neu-auf/345856

melo - Wed Apr 16, 2014 5:42 pm

Back cover Cities in Concert Houston/Lyon



Back Cover Mag.Fields



Back Cover Equinoxe


shadow - Wed Apr 16, 2014 6:15 pm

Such a waste still that absolutely nothing new has been added :|
Jon - Wed Apr 16, 2014 11:26 pm

I'm surprised at their way of thinking with Houston/Lyon being the very first release track listing and not the extended. They must have a reason.
MsMotty - Thu Apr 17, 2014 9:42 pm

melo wrote:
Does someone got access this news from Germany ?



http://www.mediabiz.de/mu...-neu-auf/345856


Via Google Translate:

With six re-releases from the catalog of Jean Michel Jarre celebrates Sony Music , the music of French electronic music pioneer. , but also tracks from AC / DC, Miles Davis, Billy Joel and the Allman Brothers Band can be found at the Munich among the major catalog releases in spring . Later this year will see a new studio album by Jean Michel Jarre, which is active not only as a musician but also as President of the exploitation umbrella company CISAC. however Previously published Sony Music Strategic Marketing six important albums from the catalog of the electronic musician who has been more than 80 million recordings sold. Alone, 18 million of which attributable to his groundbreaking debut album from 1976, "Oxygene" . It is now next to "Equinoxe" (1978) and "Magnetic Fields" (1981) and the three live albums "Les Concerts En Chine" (1982), "Houston - Lyon " (1986) and "Destination Docklands" (1988) about titles that brings Sony Music re-mastered on 25 April in the trade. . Every six CDs also come along with revised artwork as well as new photographs and accompanying texts Ralf Schalk , Senior Vice President of Strategic Entertainment Division GSA welcomes the re-publication of Jarre albums: "Jean Michel Jarre is one of the most influential and inspiring pioneers of electronic music we. . looking forward extremely pleased that we republish his complex body of work within our, catalog of legends' " Even from another keyboard wizard brings Sony Music unreleased music in the trade: published on May 16 in various configurations "A Matter Of Trust - The Bridge To Russia "by Billy Joel. The pianist and singer traveled to Russia in 1987, where he gave memorable concerts at the Leningrad and Moscow. director Jim Brown immortalized the performances in a documentary, which now comes on DVD and Bluray in the trade. For this purpose, a live album released as a double CD. At the current catalog highlights of Sony Music also include the first complete published concerts In 1970, Miles Davis at the Fillmore East.

shadow - Thu Apr 17, 2014 10:02 pm

Jon wrote:
I'm surprised at their way of thinking with Houston/Lyon being the very first release track listing and not the extended. They must have a reason.


Yeah, laziness...

rinogurr - Sun Apr 20, 2014 11:29 pm

Back cover Oxygene:



Back cover The Concerts in China:



Back cover Destination Docklands:


Sobtanian - Mon Apr 21, 2014 8:06 am

So anyone know somewhere to get these from in the UK?
Or do we have to import them already?!

(Yes, I'm buying them all. No point arguing why :p)

EDIT: the live ones are on amazon uk, release date 28th. Hopefully O/E/M will be on soon.

JeromeTV - Mon Apr 21, 2014 12:52 pm

I just noticed the new re re re re re masters 2014 are on Spotify already... you can spot them on the copyright notice also... they now say ( P ) Disques Dreyfus - BMG
Sobtanian - Mon Apr 21, 2014 1:50 pm

All the albums are now available for pre-order from Amazon, though they're not obvious and sometimes are 2-3 pages deep into search results.

I've added them all to a wishlist for your convenience :)

Kanta - Mon Apr 21, 2014 3:09 pm

Hey, glad that I am not the only one who cares. :)
Sobtanian - Mon Apr 21, 2014 4:16 pm

Kanta wrote:
Hey, glad that I am not the only one who cares. :)


Oh yes, I care a lot. I love Jarre too much to grumble about things, I'd much rather support him as much I can and listen to the music.

I can understand why some fans are upset though, but I'm easy going.

Dr_Jones - Mon Apr 21, 2014 5:17 pm

As long as the CDs are not soldiers in the Loudness War and don't have the horrible 1997 quality, they could be interesting.
Sobtanian - Mon Apr 21, 2014 6:50 pm

Dr_Jones wrote:
As long as the CDs are not soldiers in the Loudness War and don't have the horrible 1997 quality, they could be interesting.


I can't say I find the 97 remasters "horrible", sure they're loud and a bit bassy but they're listenable.

The dynamic range of the whole of Essentials is only at 8 though, so it's quite likely loudness will be an issue with these new remasters.

I'm not sure why Jarre went with Yakuda Audio for these discs, was he really that impressed with E&R? I mean did he listen to it?

Oh well.

Dr_Jones - Mon Apr 21, 2014 8:16 pm

Sobtanian wrote:
I can't say I find the 97 remasters "horrible", sure they're loud and a bit bassy but they're listenable.


take a look here:
http://dr.loudness-war.in...an+michel+jarre

Apart from that: Equinoxe & Zoolook: left and right are swapped; very sloppy
Chronologie: Chrono 4 skips a beat... very very sloppy

daz - Mon Apr 21, 2014 9:13 pm

Although I doubt it very much, because it's to good to be true. I hope the Equinoxe re-release is a re--master from the original LP version. (the one where Equinoxe 5 sounds better, more analogue)
Sobtanian - Mon Apr 21, 2014 10:46 pm

Dr_Jones wrote:
Sobtanian wrote:
I can't say I find the 97 remasters "horrible", sure they're loud and a bit bassy but they're listenable.


take a look here:
http://dr.loudness-war.in...an+michel+jarre

Apart from that: Equinoxe & Zoolook: left and right are swapped; very sloppy
Chronologie: Chrono 4 skips a beat... very very sloppy


I don't have Chronologie remaster. That page just shows the DR, which is what I said in my original post, they're loud.

I should have added that "to my ear" they don't sound horrible. Technicalities aside, I find them listenable. I'm not arguing they're good, I'm just saying I don't mind them.

melo - Tue Apr 22, 2014 7:10 pm

You can listen the new remaster editions here:

http://www.deezer.com/artist/2047

Sobtanian - Tue Apr 22, 2014 9:45 pm

melo wrote:
You can listen the new remaster editions here:

http://www.deezer.com/artist/2047


I can't find them :( nor on Spotify :(

Kanta - Tue Apr 22, 2014 10:59 pm

On Deezer available on 28 April 2014:

Destination Docklands 1988:
http://www.deezer.com/album/7637212

Houston / Lyon 1986:
http://www.deezer.com/album/7637206

Les concerts en Chine 1981 (Live):
http://www.deezer.com/album/7637201

shadow - Wed Apr 23, 2014 8:18 am

And here we go again... Son of a b...


Les Chants Magnetiques Part II - Concert in Chine

Original - 1997 Remastered - 2014 Remastered






Fourth Rendez-Vous - Cities in Concert Houson/Lyon

Original - 1997 Remastered - 2014 Remastered







This crap is so tiring, seriously why don't they get someone serious for these remasters? Give Vangelis a call, atleast he does most of his own remasters and does them 100% right...

Sobtanian - Wed Apr 23, 2014 8:51 am

Damn, that's loud :(

I still can't believe Jarre likes the sound of E&R to have faith in the same guy remastering.

Dr_Jones - Wed Apr 23, 2014 10:42 am

ok, I'll get these for max. 1 euro in the ramsj in 10 years.
JeromeTV - Wed Apr 23, 2014 10:44 am

The loudness war goes on heheheh :punch:

But did you base this on the mp3s/spotify ones , for the 2014 remasters ? or you got the cds already ?

Robi - Wed Apr 23, 2014 12:23 pm

Maybe David Perreau is much cheaper... :P

The quality is not important anymore. Jarre is just one more example.

Kanta - Wed Apr 23, 2014 5:34 pm

Renaming remasters reloudness. :fine:
shadow - Fri Apr 25, 2014 7:40 pm

JeromeTV wrote:
The loudness war goes on heheheh :punch:

But did you base this on the mp3s/spotify ones , for the 2014 remasters ? or you got the cds already ?


These are from the preview, but the previews are almost always the ones the also end up on the CD. So don't keep your hopes up. I'll do another comparison as soon as I get my hands on one of these remasters but I'm in for the dissapointment! :wtf2:

Sobtanian - Sat Apr 26, 2014 4:11 pm

shadow wrote:
These are from the preview, but the previews are almost always the ones the also end up on the CD. So don't keep your hopes up. I'll do another comparison as soon as I get my hands on one of these remasters but I'm in for the dissapointment! :wtf2:


Have you listened to them yourself out of interest? Loudness aside, how do they sound?

Velodynamic - Sat Apr 26, 2014 5:58 pm

shadow wrote:
And here we go again... Son of a b...

Les Chants Magnetiques Part II - Concert in Chine

Original - 1997 Remastered - 2014 Remastered

[url]Image[/url]


Fourth Rendez-Vous - Cities in Concert Houson/Lyon

Original - 1997 Remastered - 2014 Remastered

[url]Image[/url]


Shit... :(

Kanta - Sat Apr 26, 2014 8:31 pm

Music extracts from Destination Docklands 1988 (Remaster 2014):
https://www.youtube.com/w...eature=youtu.be

Kanta - Sat Apr 26, 2014 10:32 pm

Music extracts from Equinoxe (Remaster 2014):
https://www.youtube.com/w...eature=youtu.be

Kanta - Sat Apr 26, 2014 11:59 pm

Music extracts from Cities in Concert Houston/Lyon 1986 (Remaster 2014):
https://www.youtube.com/w...eature=youtu.be

Rubberlips - Sun Apr 27, 2014 10:44 am

Hi everyone.

It seems to me that this is paying lip service to a back catalogue the associate parties want to maintain control of because of the copyright expiry issue.

I reckon that they've tried to consider the potential market for such material...

Existing fans are unlikely to buy the same thing again unless they are die hards or unless something really special was added. But perhaps there wasn't enough 'special' or it wasn't financially viable to put such a package together - not enough interest versus the amount of commitment involved?

So that leaves new markets. Potential new interest is likely to be small in number, so this will probably serve that purpose whilst committing the minimum of effort and financial risk.

Velodynamic - Sun Apr 27, 2014 11:46 am

Rubberlips wrote:
Hi everyone.

It seems to me that this is paying lip service to a back catalogue the associate parties want to maintain control of because of the copyright expiry issue.

I reckon that they've tried to consider the potential market for such material...

Existing fans are unlikely to buy the same thing again unless they are die hards or unless something really special was added. But perhaps there wasn't enough 'special' or it wasn't financially viable to put such a package together - not enough interest versus the amount of commitment involved?

So that leaves new markets. Potential new interest is likely to be small in number, so this will probably serve that purpose whilst committing the minimum of effort and financial risk.

Yup. It's like all the labels, the whole record industry is saying; "we hate this guy, lets not release anything fancy from him within the next 100 years or so..." LOL

Rubberlips - Sun Apr 27, 2014 12:51 pm

Velodynamic wrote:
Rubberlips wrote:
Hi everyone.

It seems to me that this is paying lip service to a back catalogue the associate parties want to maintain control of because of the copyright expiry issue.

I reckon that they've tried to consider the potential market for such material...

Existing fans are unlikely to buy the same thing again unless they are die hards or unless something really special was added. But perhaps there wasn't enough 'special' or it wasn't financially viable to put such a package together - not enough interest versus the amount of commitment involved?

So that leaves new markets. Potential new interest is likely to be small in number, so this will probably serve that purpose whilst committing the minimum of effort and financial risk.

Yup. It's like all the labels, the whole record industry is saying; "we hate this guy, lets not release anything fancy from him within the next 100 years or so..." LOL


It's always been like that hasn't it?

Robi - Sun Apr 27, 2014 12:51 pm

Velodynamic wrote:
shadow wrote:
And here we go again... Son of a b...

Les Chants Magnetiques Part II - Concert in Chine

Original - 1997 Remastered - 2014 Remastered

[url]Image[/url]


Fourth Rendez-Vous - Cities in Concert Houson/Lyon

Original - 1997 Remastered - 2014 Remastered

[url]Image[/url]


Shit... :(


Inappropriate language. :punch:

Kanta - Sun Apr 27, 2014 1:47 pm

Music extracts from Les Chants Magnétiques / Magnetic Fields (Remaster 2014):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mUEYZQ6jt8

Jon - Sun Apr 27, 2014 1:54 pm

I personally would have preferred money spent on additional material than money spent on remastering. What is the point anyway to these releases. Surely Sony and Jarre do not think they are tapping in to a potential "new" fan base. Anyone with sense can pick up previous releases far cheaper and better online. And the occasional new artwork is not enough to buy them all over again. I for one will be sticking with my existing copies.
shadow - Sun Apr 27, 2014 7:15 pm

Kanta wrote:
Music extracts from Les Chants Magnétiques / Magnetic Fields (Remaster 2014):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mUEYZQ6jt8


I clicked, I thought it was loud. I downloaded and checked. It went past the 0dB limit. Now I'm giving the benefit of the doubt due to YT being sucky and all... But I honestly have 0 faith left...

Jon wrote:
I personally would have preferred money spent on additional material than money spent on remastering. What is the point anyway to these releases. Surely Sony and Jarre do not think they are tapping in to a potential "new" fan base. Anyone with sense can pick up previous releases far cheaper and better online. And the occasional new artwork is not enough to buy them all over again. I for one will be sticking with my existing copies.


People might call Michael Oldfield a cheap ass, but atleast he gives unheard material...

Kanta - Sun Apr 27, 2014 9:01 pm

shadow wrote:
Kanta wrote:
Music extracts from Les Chants Magnétiques / Magnetic Fields (Remaster 2014):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mUEYZQ6jt8


I clicked, I thought it was loud. I downloaded and checked. It went past the 0dB limit. Now I'm giving the benefit of the doubt due to YT being sucky and all... But I honestly have 0 faith left..

Thanks for clicking, watching and listening. :)

Music extracts from Les concerts en Chine 1981 (Live) (Remaster 2014):
https://www.youtube.com/w...eature=youtu.be

Kanta - Sun Apr 27, 2014 10:22 pm

Music extracts from Oxygene (Remaster 2014):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQcbKRBByI8

Sobtanian - Mon Apr 28, 2014 8:23 am

Oxygene and Equinoxe have turned up in my Amazon cloud player, albiet in MP3 format. Will have a listen in the car today and report back.

Also, listening to those jarregirl vids (thanks!) and a bit of O4 on my cloud player, it seems that the remasters are yet again obsessed with highs and treble, with bass almost washed out. Sure this does bring out some stuff (percussion and cymbals) but for example the sub synths in Oxygene are barely audible, compared to any other recording.

Not sure these can be listened to with equaliser messing about, loathe as I am.

Kanta - Mon Apr 28, 2014 12:06 pm

Sobtanian wrote:
Also, listening to those jarregirl vids (thanks!)

You are welcome. :)

JeromeTV - Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:37 pm







Kanta - Mon Apr 28, 2014 5:20 pm

JeromeTV wrote:
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For the hardcore collectors. 8)

Sobtanian - Mon Apr 28, 2014 8:34 pm

Kanta wrote:
JeromeTV wrote:
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For the hardcore collectors. 8)


Wow, they look amazing!

I haven't received any CDs from Amazon yet.

JeromeTV - Mon Apr 28, 2014 9:08 pm

They also messed up the tracktimes on the magnetic fields cover:



The actual playing times on the CD are like this: (playing here now :) )

1 Magnetic Fields Part 1 17:58
2 Magnetic Fields Part 2 3:58
3 Magnetic Fields Part 3 4:10
4 Magnetic Fields Part 4 6:25
5 Magnetic Fields Part 5 3:30

JeromeTV - Mon Apr 28, 2014 9:11 pm

and not to forget the messed up equiNOXE font :punch:


Dv_ - Mon Apr 28, 2014 9:16 pm

JeromeTV wrote:
and not to forget the messed up equiNOXE font :punch:


Not only the font, have a close look at the right side... :punch: :punch: :punch: :punch:

Robi - Mon Apr 28, 2014 9:54 pm

shadow wrote:

People might call Michael Oldfield a cheap ass, but atleast he gives unheard material...


An example

" Mike Oldfield’s sixth album was a beautiful blend of instrumentals and songs that showed how he was able to adapt to the shifting musical mores of the new decade. Released in October 1980, it features two of his most loved instrumentals, QE2 and Taurus, as well as cover versions of Wonderful Land by the Shadows and, surprisingly perhaps for the time, Arrival by Abba.

The 2012 remastered edition contains three bonus tracks, the single edit of Wonderful Land, the live B-side ‘Polka’, and a 2012 reworking of Sheba, entitled Shiva. The second disc of the Deluxe edition, which contains an interview with Mike in its 16-page booklet, features nine previously unreleased tracks recorded on the QE2 tour in Essen, Germany in 1981. "

rinogurr - Mon Apr 28, 2014 10:03 pm

Have any extra sleeve notes or photos in the booklet??
Velodynamic - Mon Apr 28, 2014 10:10 pm

Robi wrote:
shadow wrote:

People might call Michael Oldfield a cheap ass, but atleast he gives unheard material...


An example

" Mike Oldfield’s sixth album was a beautiful blend of instrumentals and songs that showed how he was able to adapt to the shifting musical mores of the new decade. Released in October 1980, it features two of his most loved instrumentals, QE2 and Taurus, as well as cover versions of Wonderful Land by the Shadows and, surprisingly perhaps for the time, Arrival by Abba.

The 2012 remastered edition contains three bonus tracks, the single edit of Wonderful Land, the live B-side ‘Polka’, and a 2012 reworking of Sheba, entitled Shiva. The second disc of the Deluxe edition, which contains an interview with Mike in its 16-page booklet, features nine previously unreleased tracks recorded on the QE2 tour in Essen, Germany in 1981. "


As with mr Vangelis, Mike O. also remixed 5.1 surround mixes from the new remasters (2009-2013) by himself.
I'm not the man to tell how loud those mixes are, but as good as they sounds in my speakers I can forget him if it's not 100% right, yet close. So..."cheap ass" ? I think not. ;)

Dv_ wrote:
JeromeTV wrote:
and not to forget the messed up equiNOXE font :punch:


Not only the font, have a close look at the right side... :punch: :punch: :punch: :punch:


It is sad really.

Jon - Mon Apr 28, 2014 10:36 pm

JeromeTV wrote:
and not to forget the messed up equiNOXE font :punch:

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What a major screw-up from such a established publisher as SonyBMG. Considering this is their first time promoting JMJ, how did they pass these is beyond me. How embarrassing for the artist. The album cover sells the artist.

shadow - Mon Apr 28, 2014 11:59 pm

Robi wrote:
An example


A few examples I perfer myself, outside of the 5.1 Mixes.


Tubular Bells Unreleased Mix, Tubular Bells Demos, Hergest Ridge Part 1 & Part 2 Unreleased (seems like innital idea) Mix, Ommadawn Lost Version, Incantations demo's (in 5.1 because full album had deteriorated beyond salvaging apparently), Platinum unreleased concert, QE2 unreleased concert, Five Miles Out Early Mix, FMO/Crises unreleased concert, Crises - Moonlight Shadow/Shadow on the Wall Unplugged Mix. And with Man on the Rocks there was a second disc containing the entire album instrumental (although it seems like a pre-final mix, noticed quite a few very slight differences) and a third disc featuring a couple of alternate mixes and demo versions of all sings on the album sung by Oldfield himself. Which BTW is awesome! His voice is awful compared to '91 when he did Heavens Open, but still to get these kinds of things happens rarely.
Oh and ofcourse the remix competition for which all master recordings of all instruments (this included tons of unused music ques) for the original Tubular Bells were given out for free to anyone who wanted them.


Well few... Basically 90% of everything :punch:


Velodynamic wrote:
As with mr Vangelis, Mike O. also remixed 5.1 surround mixes from the new remasters (2009-2013) by himself.
I'm not the man to tell how loud those mixes are, but as good as they sounds in my speakers I can forget him if it's not 100% right, yet close. So..."cheap ass" ? I think not. ;)

Vangelis never remixed his music for 5.1. There are ofcourse the movie soundtracks of him being remastered for 5.1, but that's being done by the enginere guys of movie studios without Vangelis overseeing anything. Unless you meant that Vangelis himself does his own remasters for the most part, which sound incredible might I add. The recent remasters are great. The added reverb might be off putting to some (honestly I think the added reverb to Dervish D. completely destroys the track). But the new transfers were great and Direct (1988) and Page of Life (1991, now with incredibly rare single added) have never sound better. Direct I'd say is one of the best remasters I've ever heard because it barely changed a thing.
And about the 5.1 Oldfield mixes loudness... Well that's absolutely amazing!

Ommadawn - Part 1
Five Miles Out - Taurus II
Crises - Crises
Crises - Taurus 3


JeromeTV wrote:
and not to forget the messed up equiNOXE font :punch:

How did this get released, especially with that misprint on the side!?

Robi - Tue Apr 29, 2014 8:56 am

Only the MASTERS can deeply consider then convince true remasterisations. Not like jarre.
Rubberlips - Tue Apr 29, 2014 10:16 am

It's a real shame.

The quality of the cover suggests the content has been rushed too.

It would have really benefitted from Jarre having a hand in it.

If he did have a hand in it then I fear he doesn't place a lot of emphasis on quality anymore.

He should have brought Geiss in to oversee this...

Dr_Jones - Tue Apr 29, 2014 1:55 pm

Rubberlips wrote:
It's a real shame.

The quality of the cover suggests the content has been rushed too.


He's too busy talking about artist rights and mp3 players all over the world at the moment.

I mean, how can someone screw up such a thing as Equinoxe? That's just beyond acceptable.

Robi - Tue Apr 29, 2014 2:34 pm

It's kind of typical in my opinion : the team does not mention anything about the "remasters"...no official site, no face, not twitter.
jeanbatman - Tue Apr 29, 2014 8:51 pm

Robi wrote:
It's kind of typical in my opinion : the team does not mention anything about the "remasters"...no official site, no face, not twitter.

True, but I guess it's because this is a "Germany only" release for the moment.

Robi - Tue Apr 29, 2014 9:28 pm

jeanbatman wrote:
Robi wrote:
It's kind of typical in my opinion : the team does not mention anything about the "remasters"...no official site, no face, not twitter.

True, but I guess it's because this is a "Germany only" release for the moment.


Nope, I don't think this is the reason.

Sobtanian - Tue Apr 29, 2014 9:41 pm

Amazon UK now list the live albums as 26th of May release, while the studio albums are temporarily out of stock.

I was going to cancel them all and order from Germany, but I've downloaded the autorip mp3s of Oxygene/Equinoxe so I'll get charged for that.

Instead, I've kept the studio albums from UK and ordered the live ones from Germany, for not much more.

I hope Amazon UK honour their 9th of May dispatch ETA!

As an aside listened to Equinoxe on iPhone today, and it's like it's been mastered using two different methods, the first four tracks vs the last four. More details once I've received the CDs, but I did notice that the middle part of E6 sounded REALLY weird. Anyone else with the remasters noticed that??

shadow - Tue Apr 29, 2014 9:43 pm

Rubberlips wrote:
It would have really benefitted from Jarre having a hand in it.


Every single album from '97 prove otherwise. Especially E&R proved otherwise...

Sobtanian - Sat May 03, 2014 7:55 pm

Got my live CDs from Germany today, and preliminary listening is actually quite good. They're all louder than the originals true, but actually mastered quite well, particularly Destination Docklands, I must admit I'm liking it a lot more than I expected.

I'll start a separate thread with a review of each concert later.

Sobtanian - Sat May 03, 2014 7:55 pm

Got my live CDs from Germany today, and preliminary listening is actually quite good. They're all louder than the originals true, but actually mastered quite well, particularly Destination Docklands, I must admit I'm liking it a lot more than I expected.

I'll start a separate thread with a review of each concert later.

Kanta - Sat May 10, 2014 12:42 am

My copies of the Remasters 2014 albums:


shadow - Sat May 10, 2014 6:06 pm

Quite fond of the new disc art.
rinogurr - Sat May 10, 2014 11:47 pm

Have any extra sleeve notes or photos in the booklet??
Icarus - Sun May 11, 2014 10:32 am

Do you know when the next wave of remasters will come ?

I'm waiting for Waiting for Cousteau, Chronologie & Hong-Kong

Velodynamic - Sun May 11, 2014 11:56 am

"I'm in Hong Kong, looking at my Chronologie Waiting For a Rendez-Vous with Cousteau so we can go and have a Revolutionary Zoolook". ;)
Kanta - Sun May 11, 2014 1:59 pm



:love:
rinogurr wrote:
Have any extra sleeve notes or photos in the booklet??

I am adding the Remasters 2014 album booklet photos to my Facebook which can be viewed here:
https://www.facebook.com/...=1&l=616494bbc8

rinogurr - Sun May 11, 2014 6:29 pm

Thanks Kanta!! :D
Kanta - Sun May 11, 2014 10:53 pm

rinogurr wrote:
Thanks Kanta!! :D

You are welcome. :D

melo - Mon May 12, 2014 2:20 pm

From Germany :

original:

http://www.mainpost.de/ue...art3809,8121823

translate:

https://translate.google....1823&edit-text=

Kanta - Mon May 12, 2014 5:10 pm

melo wrote:
From Germany :

original:

http://www.mainpost.de/ue...art3809,8121823

translate:

https://translate.google....1823&edit-text=

Translation issue or poor research??? Obviously, not married now.

Google Translate wrote:
Anne Parillaud , with whom he has been married since May 2005

Kanta - Thu May 15, 2014 5:02 pm



Remasters 2014 by Sony Music Germany on the official website:
http://www.sonymusic.de/s...=im_domain_id:0

melo - Fri May 16, 2014 1:18 pm

Sony Music acquires Jean Michel Jarre catalogue, releases 6 LPs via iTunes



Quote:
Sony Music has acquired the rights to the entire Jean Michel Jarre catalogue.

With new 2014 remasters, Sony has immediately issued the six albums from the collection for the very first time via iTunes and will release them physically on 26 May 2014.

Jean Michael Jarre has sold over 80 million records globally. His No.1 hit album Oxygéne (pictured) sold over 18 million copies worldwide, as he toured in over 30 countries, playing more than 220 performances.

Jarre has a new album due for release in 2015, his first in eight years.


Source: http://www.musicweek.com/...a-itunes/058451

The Sound-Oven - Fri May 16, 2014 3:38 pm

YIPPEEEE!!!! :peacemaan:

Album Album Album!

2015! 2015! 2015!

:smoke: :P :lol:

Dr_Jones - Fri May 16, 2014 5:26 pm

The Sound-Oven wrote:
YIPPEEEE!!!! :peacemaan:

Album Album Album!

2015! 2015! 2015!

:smoke: :P :lol:


don't tell him...

shadow - Fri May 16, 2014 11:43 pm

2015?

Pffft, as if! :wtf2:

Elf - Mon May 19, 2014 9:37 am

I've only heard Equinoxe so far and only on FLAC. Once again the timing of when the tracks change have..well..changed. Equinoxe 7 now starts exactly when Equinoxe 6 changes into what has traditionally been the intro to Equinoxe 7 in concerts. This is wrong, according to the original LP, where the track is about 3:50 long. On the new remaster Equinoxe 6 is 2:47.

Also, the transition between Part 3 and Part 4 has changed. Part 4 now starts exactly as the drum intro to Part 4 begins, and Part 3 really hasn't finished before the track stops.

The sound is, as far as I can judge, very good. The crackling noise in Equinoxe 3 is gone. However, there is now some kind of noise in the background of the beginning of Part 7 (the old outro from Part 6) that is clearly audible. It's never been there before. Anyone else hear this?

As for the loudness war, it all sounded extremely good both on my noise cancelling BOSE headphones, as well as on my hi-fi.

shadow - Tue May 20, 2014 8:54 am

They changed a few timings on the new remaster yes. Probably someone who isn't to familiar with where each track should/shouldn't transition into the next.

Still hope Jarre pulls his head oout of his arse and finally gives these album the remasters they deserve already...

Robi - Tue May 20, 2014 11:56 am

Probably the new album will be mastered by David?
shadow - Wed May 21, 2014 12:57 pm

I'd rather not see that, but it'll happen no doubt...
Christophe - Sat May 24, 2014 11:47 am

I listen to "The Concerts In China" and in the song "Laser Harp" on the second disc is at a moment near of the beginning a strange sound of handclapping for about 2 seconds and this stops abrupt. Is like that this sound was there accindentally. Did they don't listen to the whole remastered recording for take out the mistakes? :? :shock:

Greetings,


Christophe

Dr_Jones - Sat May 24, 2014 5:21 pm

Looks like Sony Music fixed the EquiNOXE sleeve:

Christophe - Sat May 24, 2014 6:10 pm

Dr_Jones wrote:
Looks like Sony Music fixed the EquiNOXE sleeve:
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Where you found that? :wink:

Looks like the first misprint will be a collectorsitem! :wink:

Greetings,


Christophe

Velodynamic - Sat May 24, 2014 10:38 pm

Dr_Jones wrote:
Looks like Sony Music fixed the EquiNOXE sleeve:
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About bloody time. Sony you sux. :p:

Kanta - Sat May 24, 2014 10:59 pm

I have the misprint version of the cover for Equinoxe and you know what, I actually like it especially now that there will only be a limited number available, hehe! :mrgreen:
Dr_Jones - Sun May 25, 2014 12:08 am

Christophe wrote:
Dr_Jones wrote:
Looks like Sony Music fixed the EquiNOXE sleeve:
Image

Where you found that? :wink:

Looks like the first misprint will be a collectorsitem! :wink:


It's in the Dutch shops here.

Christophe - Sun May 25, 2014 12:19 am

Dr_Jones wrote:
Christophe wrote:
Dr_Jones wrote:
Looks like Sony Music fixed the EquiNOXE sleeve:
Image

Where you found that? :wink:

Looks like the first misprint will be a collectorsitem! :wink:


It's in the Dutch shops here.

Still nothing here in Belgium (Mediamarkt, Fnac in Antwerpen).

Greetings,


Christophe

rinogurr - Tue May 27, 2014 2:51 pm

Amazon:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/E...=jarre+equinoxe

Elf - Tue May 27, 2014 3:10 pm

Shops? What do you mean? Buying records in shops? Where can you do that?
rinogurr - Tue May 27, 2014 4:35 pm

Sony Music corrected the EquiNOXE word and the picture of Granger.
Christophe - Tue May 27, 2014 4:53 pm

Elf wrote:
Shops? What do you mean? Buying records in shops? Where can you do that?

shop=store (I think) :wink:

Greetings,


Christophe

Dr_Jones - Tue May 27, 2014 5:33 pm

rinogurr wrote:
Sony Music corrected the EquiNOXE word and the picture of Granger.


yeah I posted that a few posts ago...

Dr_Jones - Tue May 27, 2014 5:34 pm

Elf wrote:
Shops? What do you mean? Buying records in shops? Where can you do that?


This post reminds me I lost a few cherised recordstores in the past few years ;-(

Finaero - Tue May 27, 2014 6:23 pm

Nice, they actually fixed something!

I've been listening to some of the remasters on Spotify and... well, it's a shame. The #1 thing that comes to my mind from almost any of those remastered tracks is "did they re-record this stuff inside a tincan?).

However, the new remaster of Orient Express is actually a guilty pleasure of mine these days. :oops: Even if its percussions are all over the place. And I'm glad to notice that (at least on Spotify) the Lyon version is present on the Cities in Concert recording (also a guilty pleasure of mine, that 2014 remaster ;) ).

... and speaking of which, despite the annoying extra audience sounds, I still consider Rendez-Vous 2 from the 1997 Cities in Concert remaster to be the best version of that track. At least to my ears, it sounds like the perfect combination of electronic music with classical instruments. Mileage may vary.

shadow - Tue May 27, 2014 8:32 pm

Dr_Jones wrote:
Elf wrote:
Shops? What do you mean? Buying records in shops? Where can you do that?


This post reminds me I lost a few cherised recordstores in the past few years ;-(


The only store that used to sell CD's here was the Free Record Shop, while overpriced most of the time, they sometimes had excellent deals. Now the only store that I actually know that still carries more than just one rack, is in Almaar :|

Christophe - Tue May 27, 2014 9:31 pm

Finaero wrote:
Nice, they actually fixed something!

I've been listening to some of the remasters on Spotify and... well, it's a shame. The #1 thing that comes to my mind from almost any of those remastered tracks is "did they re-record this stuff inside a tincan?).

However, the new remaster of Orient Express is actually a guilty pleasure of mine these days. :oops: Even if its percussions are all over the place. And I'm glad to notice that (at least on Spotify) the Lyon version is present on the Cities in Concert recording (also a guilty pleasure of mine, that 2014 remaster ;) ).

... and speaking of which, despite the annoying extra audience sounds, I still consider Rendez-Vous 2 from the 1997 Cities in Concert remaster to be the best version of that track. At least to my ears, it sounds like the perfect combination of electronic music with classical instruments. Mileage may vary.

The remastered albums sound pretty good to me! I listen it on my iPhone. :wink: :)

Greetings,


Christophe

Kanta - Thu Jun 19, 2014 11:55 pm

My copies of the Sony remasters 2014 album covers signed by Jean Michel - Cities in Concert Houston/Lyon 1986 and Equinoxe!


Elf - Fri Jun 20, 2014 12:33 am

Kanta wrote:
My copies of the Sony remasters 2014 album covers signed by Jean Michel - Cities in Concert Houston/Lyon 1986 and Equinoxe!

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Where did you get it signed?

Kanta - Fri Jun 20, 2014 10:13 am

Elf wrote:
Kanta wrote:
My copies of the Sony remasters 2014 album covers signed by Jean Michel - Cities in Concert Houston/Lyon 1986 and Equinoxe!

Image


Where did you get it signed?

Made in IRCAM 1 - Futur en Seine 2014 - 12 June 2014:
http://www.zoolook.nl/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6167
http://www.zoolook.nl/for...p=189958#189958

Icarus - Wed Jul 09, 2014 10:20 am

I'm a bit disapointed, I thought JMJ took care about the sound quality but when I see how these new remasters are made:

Original release from 1987, Rendez-vous IV, Dynamic Range: 13 db


Remaster from 1997, Dynamic Range: 8.6 db


Remaster from 2014, Dynamic Range: 6 db


Everything is compressed, it's almost the same volume level during all the track.

Dr_Jones - Wed Jul 09, 2014 11:00 am

Icarus wrote:
I'm a bit disapointed, I thought JMJ took care about the sound quality


Seeing how he oversaw the quality of E&R, this is in the line of expectation.

Elf - Wed Jul 09, 2014 11:24 am

Dr_Jones wrote:
Icarus wrote:
I'm a bit disapointed, I thought JMJ took care about the sound quality


Seeing how he oversaw the quality of E&R, this is in the line of expectation.


E&R?

Elf - Wed Jul 09, 2014 11:26 am

Icarus wrote:


Everything is compressed, it's almost the same volume level during all the track.


This is exactly why I no longer buy remasters, but play my good old vinyls, as well as only buying LPs.

Remasters today are simply "loads of compression which sounds shit"

Dr_Jones - Wed Jul 09, 2014 2:02 pm

Elf wrote:
Dr_Jones wrote:
Icarus wrote:
I'm a bit disapointed, I thought JMJ took care about the sound quality


Seeing how he oversaw the quality of E&R, this is in the line of expectation.


E&R?


Essentials & Rarities.

Finaero - Wed Jul 09, 2014 5:17 pm

Elf wrote:
This is exactly why I no longer buy remasters, but play my good old vinyls, as well as only buying LPs.


Eh, I thought the latest (2011?) anniversary CD editions of Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon and The Wall were pretty good.

Anyway, the moment I heard the guy responsible for E&R's "remastering" was gonna do the rest, well, I knew that was it. I guess it was a nice gesture for them to flat-out admit that they're not gonna release any extra stuff or old concerts on BluRay (while the wording was oddly specific, I don't we can expect any concert DVDs ever either). Ah well.

/me puts on the MFSL vinyl of Equinoxe for (IMO) the best Jarre release ever

Elf - Wed Jul 09, 2014 5:43 pm

Finaero wrote:
Elf wrote:
This is exactly why I no longer buy remasters, but play my good old vinyls, as well as only buying LPs.


Eh, I thought the latest (2011?) anniversary CD editions of Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon and The Wall were pretty good.


Yeah, but that's Pink Floyd. The almost never release anything with bad sound quality. Kudos.

Steven Wilson is very good at remastering and doing surround sound as well. The King Crimson releases are brilliant.

shadow - Wed Jul 09, 2014 7:15 pm

Wow... And I thought the samples were bad, the actual CD's are even worse!? :hide:

Elf wrote:
This is exactly why I no longer buy remasters, but play my good old vinyls, as well as only buying LPs.

Remasters today are simply "loads of compression which sounds shit"


The recent remasters from Vangelis are great, you might not agree with the added reverb, but the quality itself is top notch. Same with the Mike Oldfield 5.1 Remixes, those are bloody well done!

Finaero - Wed Jul 09, 2014 7:26 pm

shadow wrote:
The recent remasters from Vangelis are great, you might not agree with the added reverb, but the quality itself is top notch. Same with the Mike Oldfield 5.1 Remixes, those are bloody well done!


I stopped paying attention to those releases when I heard that there are some blatantly audible cuts in parts where the track used to change in the previous CD versions, not to mention some tracks being shortened.

Of course, those might be just really minor faults in overall coherent releases. I guess I'm still interested in the Spiral release since it features To The Unknown Man Pt. II in. Maybe one day. ;]

shadow - Thu Jul 10, 2014 5:43 pm

Yeah the cuts in the remasters are an odd choice. But if anything those changes are artistic choices (seeing how Vangelis was the one who oversaw the project) more than anything. The remastering job was topnotch! :wink:

Also if you only want Spiral for the bonus track, I just recommend you sending me a message! :nod:

Voyager37 - Sun Jul 13, 2014 9:32 am

I like new remasters. I can't hear differences in dynamics and I prefer listen music but not look (graphs). All I observe is the recording is louder. So I can hear fine nuances clearer. No distortion. Don't like vinyl clicks, noise and deterioration of sound quality to LP center.
Dr_Jones - Sun Jul 13, 2014 10:11 am

Voyager37 wrote:
I like new remasters. I can't hear differences in dynamics and I prefer listen music but not look (graphs). All I observe is the recording is louder. So I can hear fine nuances clearer. No distortion. Don't like vinyl clicks, noise and deterioration of sound quality to LP center.


Ehm, the graph only shows how much of the dynamics of the music is lost.

Stubie - Mon Jul 14, 2014 3:13 am

Icarus wrote:
Everything is compressed, it's almost the same volume level during all the track.


I apologise for the wall of text, but I've been analysing and listening to (and much more) these remasters for many, many weeks, so I have a lot to say about them.

The compression is the least of the problems with the new remasters. I've only just registered here, specifically so that I can comment on the quality of the new remasters. In general, they are terrible. It's not a complete loss though.

There are good things about the new remasters: imaging is better (ie. being able to pin-point where in the stereo "stage" a sound is coming from), bass is cleaner and seems to extend lower, and there is real high frequency content (which probably contributes to the better imaging). The live albums have expanded stereo (not sure if simulated stereo, or just an expansion of what was already there, by reducing the commonality/increasing the difference between channels). It's subjective whether this is good or bad (in the case of the Introduction on Destination Docklands, it's bad, assuming that's why the main sound seem missing and it all sounds like echo), but overall I like it.

But there are so many things wrong with them: the bass is waaaay too high. It overpowers everything, and that's what contributes to a lot of the DR loss (along with limiting, probably needed because the bass has pushed everything so loud). Also frequencies around 1kHz are boosted (which is also the case for E&R, but not to this level), which makes it sound like it was recorded in a tin can (to quote someone else here) - which is very obvious on Magnetic Fields Parts 2 and 4 - and the balance of the frequencies are all over the place. There are pops and clicks all the way through Oxygene and Equinoxe. It may be that they were always there, but very subdued due to the duller high frequency response of all previous releases, but whatever the reason, no attempt seems to have been made to remove them. There's an obvious tape drop-out in the left channel at about 4:37 into Oxygene Part 6. Much like the '97 remasters, the channels seem to have been randomly swapped - most noticeable in Equinoxe.

As an example, here is the spectrum (produced in Audacity) of the 'rolling and crashing waves' sounds between Oxygene Parts 5 and 6, specifically one of the higher frequency ones (is that a wave coming in to shore, or is it the water pulling out before a new wave crashes in?).
Here it is from my earliest CD version:


and here it is from the new remasters:


What's not so obvious there (due to the linear frequency scale) is the bump at 1kHz. It's meant to be filtered white noise, so in theory it should be fairly flat, like the first version. You can see a slight dip at around the 5kHz mark, or alternatively a slight boost from around 10kHz up, with a noticeable ramp up at 12.5kHz (more so than the earlier version). Anything above that, it's hard to say what it really should be - the really high frequencies could be dominated by noise or dither.

I expect that it's all been "mastered for iTunes", where the massive bass and 1kHz boost are designed to compensate for crappy standard iPod/iPhone headphones, and the excessive dynamic range compression helps with bad listening environments. I still don't understand why that kind of thing can't be left for what's sold on iTunes, and the CDs be left alone. I have a very good sound system, and all the flaws are immediately obvious. When you have speakers that are larger than the average person (mine are 6' tall - taller than I am), with the volume to reproduce clean bass, all the boosted bass gets reproduced just fine and, as I said, overpowers everything. With a smaller set of speakers - such as bookshelf speakers, or even most headphones - you might not appreciate how much of a boost around 40-50Hz there is. If you're unlucky to have bass-reflex ported speakers tuned to around 100Hz or so, everything will sound just horribly boomy.

However, it's not a complete loss. The good thing about the new remasters is that they're consistent. That was the biggest issues I had with the '97 remasters - I didn't mind those versions of Oxygene and Equinoxe, but for example Magnetic Fields had stupidly loud low frequency bass (around 50Hz) in some tracks (eg. Part 4), while other tracks were fine. In a fit of "fury" over how terrible the new remasters are, but given the consistency of them, I decided to do something about it and I attempted to "fix" them.

Unfortunately of course, I only have access to 44.1/16 ripped from my CDs, but I used the best linear-phase equaliser I had, processing at 24bit, and went about "correcting" them. I used things like the filtered white noise between Oxygene Parts 5 and 6, and frequency sweep tones in Orient Express, and similar rising scales in the middle of Magnetic Fields Part 1, and various other things, to try to flatten out the response a bit. The second half of Magnetic Fields Part 1, and both Magnetic Fields Parts 2 and 4 were good references for how the ~1kHz boost needed attenuating. I had to pull the bass down around 3-4dB, drop around 1kHz about the same, push up frequencies around 5kHz. The trickiest part was removing the 1kHz boost without removing too much around it, and trying to remove enough bass to stop it all sounding muddy, without leaving the sound too lean or cool. I've probably listened to all the remasters all the way through about 100 times now, just going through this process.

So after tweaking, and tweaking, and tweaking some more, I eventually got something that I'm mostly happy with. There is still the issue of dynamic range compression, which unfortunately does cause some melodies that should (or used to) stand out from the rest, to just blend in too much, but still, in many respects what I've ended up with I like better than previous issues.

Just as a reference, here's a waveform of "The Emigrant", the last track of Destination Docklands, to show a before and after my equalisation:


And look at that, you can actually see a little detail in the waveform now that it's not dominated by bass!

With my re-equalisation, an album like Equinoxe, which sits mostly in the mid to mid-low frequencies, didn't change much in terms of sound or dynamic range - it being affected mostly by the 1kHz attenuation. It and Oxygene are fairly "wet" albums to begin with (lots of background "ambience" and echo/reverb, etc.) so they would likely never score really high DR values anyway - though of course they should be better than they are. Magnetic Fields is a much drier album, and its frequency content is spread across a much wider range and so it is affected much more by my equalisation, and shows some reasonable DR score improvements because of it. Destination Docklands is probably the worst for DR score, and benefits most from the attenuation of bass to a more natural level, and ends up with a decent DR bump because of it.

Clearly limiting has been applied, and that's produced a lot of the DR reduction. But the frequency balance and horribly boosted bass contributes a lot of the DR reduction too.

If people here could prove they own the remasters, I'd send them my versions, but that's impractical, if not impossible. Instead, I'll give you a small snippet of what the differences sound like: Equalisation Comparison
This contains a small section of the white noise "crashing waves" between Oxygene Parts 5 and 6, a small bit from the beginning of Magnetic Fields Part 2 looped, and a small bit from the beginning of Magnetic Fields Part 4 looped. Each of those contains my re-equalised versions first, followed by the normal 2014 Remasters versions. I fully understand you might not like the sound of what I've done for re-equalisation, but I hope that it highlights the 1kHz problem at least.

Special thanks to Kanta/Jarregirl, who either set up what was required to get registrations allowed again, or prodded someone on my behalf to do it.

Dr_Jones - Mon Jul 14, 2014 9:52 am

This is a great post, thanks for your thourough analysis. I will save this on my harddisk for future references.
Kanta - Mon Jul 14, 2014 4:18 pm

Stubie wrote:
Special thanks to Kanta/Jarregirl, who either set up what was required to get registrations allowed again, or prodded someone on my behalf to do it.

You are welcome. Good review on the Remasters 2014 and your first post. Welcome to the forum. :)

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Slightly on-topic:
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shadow - Wed Jul 16, 2014 11:07 pm

Will watch immediatly! :D
shadow - Fri Aug 22, 2014 5:42 pm

Currently listening to the Concert en Chine remaster and first impression is... Wow... Just wow! The remastering was done by David Perreau correct? Because I thought that his "masterpiece" was already accomplished with Essentials and Rarities! He just outdid himself! :|
DarkVoyage - Sun Aug 24, 2014 2:28 pm

My small review of remasters from July that I posted at Jarre UK blog (maybe of some interest to this community). I can tell you straight away that I sympathize to Scott Hull's remasters from 1997 and base my opinion on them, no matter that they still have many problems.

New remasters are generally under expectations. They sound over-saturated with much background noise. There are nice moments of course - they sound much more detailed, at the same time in some moments, where it should be softer, it sounds like a frequency porridge. The sound is notably louder than before "as we like it". I didn't listened to all of them completely yet, but here are my thoughts on some of their problems.

Oxygene begins with a flaw! (facepalm) In 40 years no one failed this album like that, but engineer Dave Dadwater introduced the new way of mastering - the glitch in first two seconds of playback time! Bravo! Also the master tapes began to degrade, Oxygene Part 6 has a large drop out in sound on 4:37. He could easily take audio from any other source, but he don't care at all, he don't even care to listen to it to do something about it. The ending noise washes sound like harsh noise - it should be very soft analogue sound... The main album is flawed the most...

Equinoxe begins with a very loud background noise under pads, its level is same for whole album. I didn't notice any problems in first listen, except for different sound of second half of Part 8. Looks like original master record is not very good in this place and its artifacts sound different in 1997 edition and this one. I can't tell, which is better, they are both not fine. But personally I like the 1997 variant that anyway sounds more open in whole.

Magnetic Fields I listened the most attentive and it has no obvious problems, a little too much background noise in Part 5, but generally it is the best of three. At the same time it doesn't provide so much of new details comparing to 1997 edition and two above.

Cities in Concert Houston Lyon - not listened yet, but the first thing is seen - it has old tracklist of 48 minutes from "In Concert" 1987 edition, not the expanded 71 minute 1988 version that was really called "Cities in Concert" and then it was remastered in 1997. As I remember this version is rather different from 1987 edition (that had 16 separate tracks, here they are glued into 10) and some of tracks are completely different recordings (from different concerts), also different transition effects between tracks. This is not replacement fro 1997 nice remaster.

I don't have Destination Docklands yet.

No matter that 1997 remasters had some small flaws, I prefer them over all other editions. They were really done with much soul, if you remember they all had words from Scott Hull in booklet. It was done in 1997, when the technology of mastering was not so great as today. The strong point in new remasters - they are made with modern hardware/software that makes most of the tasks a simple game in mosaic (tell you as mastering engineer). Dave Dadwater is careless and indifferent engineer, who had done the inaccurate work. Damaged the original dynamics and balance, and much more - the mystic atmosphere.

Previously there was information that JMJ remasters albums himself beginning from Zoolook, but that looks to be only for Essentials compilations. This could be much more interesting to hear in whole.

To add to above about Cities in Concert and The Concerts in China that was also a part of the first wave of releases. This one is something different, most likely because original recording is initially better, without much artifacts, some small volume walks are heard on 1997 edition also. Here I should say that it is already a question of taste. New edition provides much more detail than any previous, but lacks mysterious atmosphere and dynamics, but at a least I didn't hear any obvious artifacts at first listen. I personally prefer the Cities in Concert expanded set and revised tracklist with different Equinoxe Part 5 that is more smooth than In Concert aggressive version, also transition effects were made more interesting and smart. But for some fans this can be a nice item, because this recording was not used since 1991 golden set.

Dr_Jones - Sun Aug 24, 2014 2:41 pm

DarkVoyage wrote:
No matter that 1997 remasters had some small flaws, I prefer them over all other editions. They were really done with much soul, if you remember they all had words from Scott Hull in booklet.


Like swapping left and right for Equinoxe and Zoolook and the small skip in Chronologie 4 on Chronologie?

DarkVoyage - Mon Aug 25, 2014 9:30 am

Dr_Jones wrote:
DarkVoyage wrote:
No matter that 1997 remasters had some small flaws, I prefer them over all other editions. They were really done with much soul, if you remember they all had words from Scott Hull in booklet.


Like swapping left and right for Equinoxe and Zoolook and the small skip in Chronologie 4 on Chronologie?

Swapped channels is not a problem really. Are you sure that they are not corrected in 1997 as it was intended, while all others are wrong? One never knows... In the end, this can be corrected without any loss, if needed. Glitches can be found anywhere in any versions. Badly mixed transitions and cuts in concerts for example. This is a commercial work, nobody would search for all glitches with magnifier.

At least 1997 remasters have original Zoolook without remixes, original Revolutions (Revolution, Revolutions, not just Revolutions - single version with flute beginning), Rendez-Vous in 6 tracks, not 11, complete Cities in Concert, The Concerts in China on one CD, but unfortunately cutted Hong Kong (but still ok). The guys made it really well for the definitive collection with nice artwork.

These new series just began and they already suck.

synthmann - Mon Aug 25, 2014 10:26 am

I still listen to the cd versions I bought in the early 90ies when I discovered Jarre and quickly collected all albums out to that date. This means none of these albums is a remastered version, they're all older versions. I actually find nothing wrong with them and no reason to spend my money again to buy the same music. What would one do with the old versions then?

For me it would be a waste of money and, more importantly, of valuable scarce resources involved in the production of the disc and packaging. The only reason to buy a new disc would be if the old one would start to degrade in some way but then still, I hardly use the discs anymore as I've imported them all in lossless quality in iTunes.

Dr_Jones - Mon Aug 25, 2014 11:12 am

DarkVoyage wrote:
Swapped channels is not a problem really. Are you sure that they are not corrected in 1997 as it was intended, while all others are wrong? One never knows...


all LPs, CDs and other media released before the 1997 remasters had left and right as it was originally released. Singles released from the albums too. Heck, even the Mobile Fidelity remasters (still my favorite releases) are like that.

Elf - Mon Aug 25, 2014 12:00 pm

Yesterday I listened to the remastered version of Oxygene. Now, this is the first time I've listened to the original for many years. I've pretty much been listening to the "re-recording" from a few years back, mostly because that was the one that was on Spotify.

When I listened last night I was struck by how different Oxygene sounded. First I thought it was the remastering, but then I remembered that for the past few years I had become used to the "re-recording."

How much difference is it between the "re-recording" and the original (apart from the birds at the end of Oxygene 3 being removed from the "re-recording")? Or is it the remastering that has altered the sound?

Analog-Umph - Mon Aug 25, 2014 2:29 pm

It was never really re-recorded.

The remastered version is closer to how it should sound. The 2007 re-recorded version sounds more amateurish, due to the way the reverb has been used.

Also the bass boosts are unneeded. This kind of music is not dance floor ear popping music.
It's supposed to be akin to classical music, only using electronic instruments.

Elf - Mon Aug 25, 2014 4:18 pm

Analog-Umph wrote:
It was never really re-recorded.


Yes, that's why I wrote it in brackets

Analog-Umph wrote:
The remastered version is closer to how it should sound. The 2007 re-recorded version sounds more amateurish, due to the way the reverb has been used.

Also the bass boosts are unneeded. This kind of music is not dance floor ear popping music.
It's supposed to be akin to classical music, only using electronic instruments.


But the instrumentation also sounds diferent in places. For instance: The flute sound towards the end of Oxygene 2 ends earlier in the remastered (and original) version of Oxygene, whilst in the "re-recording" it goes on for a bit longer. So I was wondering if there were any other differences.

Finaero - Mon Aug 25, 2014 4:32 pm

Eh, my opinions on the matter probably have changed since the last time (a few months ago?) but still, I don't hate the 1997 remasters like some people do. Switched channels doesn't really bother me because I tend to wear headphones in a way where the cord passes over my right shoulder, so for most time I think I have the left channel on my right ear and vice versa.

I still maintain that the 1997 Cities in Concert remaster of Rendez-Vous 2 is probably the best one in all of his repertoire (in my opinion anyhoo'), because it truly sounds like an electronic orchestral track with the correct amount of power and definite live sound (mainly percussions). The worst part (which applies to the whole album) is that someone has been adding the same live audience noise all over the place and realizing that it's been added afterwards is a bit disturbing (similar loops can be heard in Jarre Live and - when other artists are concerned - Roger Waters' The Wall Live in Berlin). The extra audience noise is missing from the 1987 In Concert version, but boy does it sound flat.

The 1997 remaster of Zoolook is also pretty good (and thank goodness it has the non-remix versions of Zoolook and Zoolookologie). While I have most of JMJ's albums on vinyl and 1997 CD remasters and the former sound much warmer, I don't really mind the 1997 ones. Or maybe I've just got too used to them. :P

The 2007 remaster of Oxygene is kind of iffy because, for example, there's previously unheard noise in several effects during Oxygene 1... but I prefer its version of Oxygene 4 because the bubbly sound effect that marks the transition to Oxygene 5 starts much later in that one. Otherwise, MFSL is the way to go for me.

As for the 2014 remasters, eh, I guess if you don't have any other releases and don't want to spend too much time finding them, sure, why not. Orient Express is sort of a guilty pleasure of mine, it can be fun to listen to it at times with headphones on and just wanting to get some OOMPH in your ears. ;]

And yet all of this reminds me, has Oxygene 7-13 been remastered at all since 1997?

Dr_Jones - Mon Aug 25, 2014 5:26 pm

Finaero wrote:
And yet all of this reminds me, has Oxygene 7-13 been remastered at all since 1997?


It has not been a victim of the Loudness War yet.

Finaero - Mon Aug 25, 2014 6:41 pm

That's good (for now). Sadly, my vinyl version of it has annoying skips during Oxygene 8 (and it was the 25 € copy I retained, whereas I sold the 4€ one I had for 70 € a few years back!) and I'm not a fan of the fadeout at the end of Oxygene 9, but still, it sounds pretty great on both formats IMO. :]
DarkVoyage - Tue Aug 26, 2014 2:57 pm

Finaero wrote:
The 2007 remaster of Oxygene is kind of iffy because, for example, there's previously unheard noise in several effects during Oxygene 1... but I prefer its version of Oxygene 4 because the bubbly sound effect that marks the transition to Oxygene 5 starts much later in that one. Otherwise, MFSL is the way to go for me.

2007 release is completely new recording from scratch. I don't understand, why many people think that this is some kind of trick with original recordings. Jarre gathered 95% of his original gear and played it by notes again, very closely to original, but different enough to hear the difference. I was really impressed by such skills. Who else can make such magic? Nobody. :)

MFSL remasters are of no special interest, they sound dull and too much cleaned.

al - Wed Aug 27, 2014 11:08 pm

So, basically which mastering versions of each album is the best?
Analog-Umph - Thu Aug 28, 2014 1:44 am

DarkVoyage wrote:
Finaero wrote:
The 2007 remaster of Oxygene is kind of iffy because, for example, there's previously unheard noise in several effects during Oxygene 1... but I prefer its version of Oxygene 4 because the bubbly sound effect that marks the transition to Oxygene 5 starts much later in that one. Otherwise, MFSL is the way to go for me.

2007 release is completely new recording from scratch. I don't understand, why many people think that this is some kind of trick with original recordings. Jarre gathered 95% of his original gear and played it by notes again, very closely to original, but different enough to hear the difference. I was really impressed by such skills. Who else can make such magic? Nobody. :)


Because no human on this planet can do what you are describing, use vintage analog gear and create a 100% replica, which is what that album is. Aside from the differences in mixing. Also because people are intelligent enough to know what they are dealing with and talking about, to say the things they say, which is why they say them.

On the other side of the coin, many other people can do such a thing, ie to get it close to an original recording. Many people have done it. With many artists. So that's no toughie.

So on both fronts you appear to be completely incorrect. :wink:

Analog-Umph - Thu Aug 28, 2014 1:46 am

al wrote:
So, basically which mastering versions of each album is the best?


You have a choice, either the 1997 Scot Hull remasters.
Or this year's remasters if you wanna shake da hood!

DarkVoyage - Thu Aug 28, 2014 1:02 pm

Analog-Umph wrote:
Because no human on this planet can do what you are describing
...
Many people have done it.

You are inconsistent with yourself.

shadow - Fri Aug 29, 2014 2:49 pm

Dr_Jones wrote:
Finaero wrote:
And yet all of this reminds me, has Oxygene 7-13 been remastered at all since 1997?


It has not been a victim of the Loudness War yet.


Actually it is, but by 1997 standards. The audio was pretty loud, but it was mastered at the same time that the remasters were being made so yeah.

al wrote:
So, basically which mastering versions of each album is the best?

The original releases ;)

Voyager37 - Sun Aug 31, 2014 12:54 am

Analog-Umph wrote:
It was never really re-recorded.

You guess the statement in booklet it was re-recorded in high definition 24/96 is lie? So it was remixed from old 8-track tape to 5.1? :nico:

Domestos - Sun Aug 31, 2014 10:44 am

Voyager37 wrote:
Analog-Umph wrote:
It was never really re-recorded.

You guess the statement in booklet it was re-recorded in high definition 24/96 is lie? So it was remixed from old 8-track tape to 5.1? :nico:



Honestly I don't think JMJ dusted off all the old moogs and physically recorded Oxygene again note for note - neither did FDM.

Finaero - Sun Aug 31, 2014 2:02 pm

"Original score re-recorded and mixed by Jean Michel Jarre" can be interpreted as "once again recorded from the original format to a new medium/format, and mixed once again on top of that". In other words, he probably took all the multitrack recordings from 1976 and just re-recorded them in a new way (where Oxygene 5's bubbling sounds start later than usual). After all, he used them in a new non-album way in AERO and the Miming Era live performances as well (e.g. Oxygene 4 @ Houston).

But that's not the point here (and after all, the "first 5.1. CD ever made" marketing tag on Aero wasn't exactly true either). Jean-Michel really did re-record the entire Oxygene album from scratch in 2007. It's known as "Live In Your Living Room (3D)" and this feat was repeated on multiple occasions in the 2007-2008 Oxygene Tour (from an artistic point of view, it definitely is one of the highest points in his career, if not the highest).

And it proves that when you dig up all the old analog synthesizers used to make the album in the late 1970s, the results sound very similar but still not exact to the original versions. Prime example: the RMI solo in Oxygene 4. The original one still sounds distinct from any other version afterwards, because the very original can never be replicated. Even the most talented replica makers on these forums (Radek Tymecki, VinceBlood et al) have never succeeded in doing that, and from 2007 onwards JMJ has proved that even he can't pull it off. As a non-Oxygene example, there's the ARP robot sounds from Equinoxe 4, the recent tours showcase something very similar but still no cigar... in fact, it's very far away from "cigar" since it just sounds like random sounds instead of even attempting to be the same.

So in my view, there's no way the 2007 CD is anything more than yet another remaster (with some unique mixing in certain tracks like the end of Oxygene 4), and it's not even that bad of a bad remaster at that in my view (aside from the noise bursts in Oxygene 1). However, the live DVD is where the true magic lies, featuring one of the best JMJ performances ever. Immediately after watching the DVD, I ripped the audio and made a separate CD of it that I listen to it just about once a month (or once per 2 months).

Also with regards to MFSL's dullness, when it comes to the CD versions I quite agree, I was quite disappointed with the Equinoxe MFSL CD. On vinyl, however, analog electronic music truly shines and thus I think the MFSL vinyls of Oxygene and Equinoxe are the #1 remasters of those albums available. Or at least for Equinoxe.

Voyager37 - Sun Aug 31, 2014 2:34 pm

Finaero,
I mean 5.1 mix of studio album, not Live in my living room. Was it really mixed from 8 channels to 5? Or 8 channels were transfered to 24 or 48 or... etc.?

Stereomatic - Wed Oct 29, 2014 6:20 pm

The remaster series continues..

https://www.jpc.de/jpcng/...ok/hnum/6368137

melo - Wed Oct 29, 2014 7:29 pm

In Amazon Germany list : : Zoolook, Rendez Vous, Revolutions, WFC e Chronologie
02 January 2015

Zoolook:
http://www.amazon.de/Zool...&keywords=jarre

WFC:
http://www.amazon.de/Wait...&keywords=jarre


Revolutions

http://www.amazon.de/Revo...&keywords=jarre

Rendez Vous
http://www.amazon.de/Rend...&keywords=jarre

Chronologie
http://www.amazon.de/Chro...&keywords=jarre

Kanta - Wed Oct 29, 2014 11:10 pm

I have updated the news section with the information for the remasters 2015 albums. Thank you for the information Stereomatic and melo. :) Also, I have renamed this topic and the news section topic Remasters 2014 and 2015 Albums: http://www.zoolook.nl/for...p=190855#190855
Jon - Thu Oct 30, 2014 12:50 am

It's a shame they missed the "30th Anniversary" release date of November for Zoolook. That would have been more fitting for the fans, Jarre and this album being to the date/month instead of going past the deadline to be released on the 31st.

Also, too much to ask for I know, but it would be nice for additional material in the release to make it that 30th anniversary release.

La Cage - Thu Oct 30, 2014 11:33 am

Remasters, re-editions, covers, mixes of previous stuff. Come on! WTF is the NEW stuff?! :evil:
Robi - Thu Oct 30, 2014 12:42 pm

La Cage wrote:
Remasters, re-editions, covers, mixes of previous stuff. Come on! WTF is the NEW stuff?! :evil:


Yes there are growing number of dissatisfied fans...

Christophe - Thu Oct 30, 2014 2:53 pm

Those that wait with patience will be satisfied! :wink:

Greetings,

christophe

Finaero - Thu Oct 30, 2014 7:21 pm

Well, they already announced that the remasters won't include any bonus tracks, so eh.
Christophe - Thu Oct 30, 2014 8:07 pm

Finaero wrote:
Well, they already announced that the remasters won't include any bonus tracks, so eh.

Maybe this one have a bonus especially for the 30th anniversary, but maybe not... :wink:

Greetings,

Christophe

Kanta - Thu Nov 06, 2014 4:26 pm



Zoolook (30th Anniversary Edition) on iTunes
“Expected Release: 17 November 2014”

1. Ethnicolor (Remastered)
2. Diva (Remastered)
3. Zoolook (Remastered)
4. Wooloomooloo (Remastered)
5. Zoolookologie (Remastered)
6. Blah-Blah Café (Remastered)
7. Ethnicolor II (Remastered)

Album Review

On the first departure of his career since 1977's Oxygene, Jean Michel Jarre combined an actual band and processed vocal samples — recorded in 25 different languages — with his rich, melodic synthesizer pop. The rhythm is often propelled by guttural vocal snippets, as on "Ethnicolor" and "Zoolookologie." That's not half as disconcerting for those used to his previous work as the album's art-funk backing: Adrian Belew on guitar, Marcus Miller on bass, and Yogi Horton on drums, plus Laurie Anderson on one track. Though Zoolook is interesting throughout, the tracks with Jarre alone are often the best, reprising the classic Oxygene sound.

Source: https://itunes.apple.com/gb/album/zoolook-30th-anniversary-edition/id936769238

Christophe - Thu Nov 06, 2014 5:03 pm

I saw in the Belgium iTunes that 14th November 2014 is the releasedate. :wink:

Greetings,


Christophe

Jon - Thu Nov 06, 2014 5:05 pm

Good for Jarre, lame release for fans however. I would have least expected some bonus material for the release not just relying on another remaster.
Voyager37 - Thu Nov 06, 2014 7:32 pm

What point it called 30-year anniversary edition without any addition? Just because since the release exactly 30 years have passed? In this case, Oxygene should have been called 38th anniversary, Equinoxe - 36th, Magnetic Fields - 33th anniversary edition, etc.
Christophe - Thu Nov 06, 2014 8:23 pm

Jon wrote:
Good for Jarre, lame release for fans however. I would have least expected some bonus material for the release not just relying on another remaster.

It was sayed since the beginning of the remasters that there will be be no bonusmaterial added. Ok, maybe it is lame, but never you can satisfied all fans. Still when it sounds better and frech then I'm happy. Never I expect too much! :wink:

Oxygene had also a 30th anniversary and on the cd was nothing more songs added! Ok, there was a dvd included with some extra music (Variations). :wink:

Greetings,

christophe

Jon - Thu Nov 06, 2014 10:44 pm

Voyager37 wrote:
What point it called 30-year anniversary edition without any addition? Just because since the release exactly 30 years have passed? In this case, Oxygene should have been called 38th anniversary, Equinoxe - 36th, Magnetic Fields - 33th anniversary edition, etc.


That's the point I was trying to make. Why add additional wording on the artwork cover and call it "30TH ANNIVERSARY EDITION" and omit sticking any other material on. What was the point of adding extra wording to the cover to entice when in fact it is nothing more than the standard remaster released roughly around the same time of the original release. They could have left that wording off and no one else would have been the wiser. Regardless if Sony or who-ever said there would be no additional content, why mis-sell it this way. I have worked in retail and what Sony are doing here isn't straight forward selling. But then who is to blame for these releases such as this, Jarre? Sony? My monies on Sony. To market a "30th ANNIVERSARY EDITION" minimum would have been 12 " mixes/alternative edits on the CD. Opportunity wasted.

shadow - Sat Nov 08, 2014 1:26 am

Christophe wrote:
It was sayed since the beginning of the remasters that there will be be no bonusmaterial added. Ok, maybe it is lame, but never you can satisfied all fans. Still when it sounds better and frech then I'm happy. Never I expect too much! :wink:


Haven't heard anyone complain about the remasters/remixes Mike Oldfield has been putting out for the last couple of years. They were redone in 5.1 with a whole bunch of extra's (demo's, singles, extended remixes, lost versions, never before heard material, etc) and never has anyone complained about that. People did complain with Platinum and QE2 were only remastered with a lazy added bonus disc of two concerts that were widely available already.

I'm fine with just a remaster for new audiences, but this as a "special" 30th anniversary and nothing else? Just slap all three album mixes of Zoolook and Zoolookologie on the disc and add the extended remixes also onto it for good measure. At least that'd be worth the value. Even better, slap the Twelve Dream of the Sun rendition of Ethnicolor on it and I'd but it, not asking a single question.

But alas... Jarre doesn't do a thing. Such a waste of the material to just let the original tapes rot away slowly and remaster them absolutely terribly to the point where it not only loses its sound quality but its emotion...

Christophe wrote:
Oxygene had also a 30th anniversary and on the cd was nothing more songs added! Ok, there was a dvd included with some extra music (Variations). :wink:


This was a very different situation however. The entire album was re-recorded, and while it was the same music, it sounded completely different due to the way it was recorded and mixed 30 years later. Also the 'Live In Your Living Room' rendition of Oxygene was a brand new thing, never heard before, plus three new (and one of them absolutely brilliant) tracks and mixed in 5.1 for good measure. These situations are not comparable in any way shape or for beyond the number 30.

Dr_Jones - Sat Nov 08, 2014 7:30 am

You know what a 30 year anniversary edition is?


Finaero - Sat Nov 08, 2014 12:08 pm

I've probably said it before, but I still don't get what's the deal with JMJ releases not having great extras that apparently everyone else is profiting on. All those DVD releases having been cancelled in the past 10+ years due to "lol x owns the rights". Who the bloody fuck actually is sitting on those rights and not even trying to benefit from them, instead just coming up with more of the Loudness War remaster scheisse?

Admittedly, in some cases Jarre himself hasn't given the permission due to his apparent perfectionism, which is of course partially understandable.

It's also weird to remember how things appeared to turn for the better when the Oxygene 30th anniversary special edition was released, a damn fine release all around, and the 99% live Oxygene Tour 2007-2008 kicked in. And that was nearly a decade ago! Sheesh.

All of this, by the way, makes the Pink Floyd 2011 releass even greater, since they've been remastered sublimely and gracefully and come up with tons of great extras.

Eh.

ChoccyUK - Sat Nov 08, 2014 6:52 pm

I see Zoolook 30th for download on itunes and Amazon but will there be a CD version too, with a release date ?

~~~~~~~~~~~
With JarrEmotion

Christophe - Sat Nov 08, 2014 7:41 pm

ChoccyUK wrote:
I see Zoolook 30th for download on itunes and Amazon but will there be a CD version too, with a release date ?

~~~~~~~~~~~
With JarrEmotion

Yes! The remasters of Zoolook, Rendez-Vous, Revolutions, Waiting for Cousteau and Chronologie will be released physically on the 2nd of January 2015. :wink:

Greetings,


Christophe

Kanta - Sun Nov 09, 2014 7:57 pm

ChoccyUK wrote:
I see Zoolook 30th for download on itunes and Amazon but will there be a CD version too, with a release date ?

~~~~~~~~~~~
With JarrEmotion

Information for the CD version is in the news section of the forum: http://www.zoolook.nl/for...p=190855#190855

matt222 - Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:51 pm

Well now,

I havn't been on this site for a while so I thought I'd pop in to see what great new and refreshing stuff Jarre has put out of late.......oh, nothing. Just more re-releases of the same tracks he's been re-releasing for the last God knows how many years.

Being a Jarre fan since 1983, I now feel like Im a fan to a man who died long ago and all we see is someone bouncing around on stage to poorly constructed versions of his ancient masterpieces.

Please stop and do something new now Jean Michel - You're a brilliant, creative man who has that rare ability to really SEE sounds and you have created the most vivid and delicious soundscapes that have ever exsisted. I would love to see a little more.

Perhaps I'll pop back an another couple of years and check again.......

Am I allowed to call myself a 'fan' having wrote the above, or do I need to only praise and idolise regardless?

RemarkableRadio - Fri Nov 14, 2014 3:42 am

Never just idolize blindly. If your favorite artist makes something you don't like, it is fine to say so.

I think most fans here are very, very critical. Sometimes too much. But when it comes to what jarre releases, I think we have not been treated well. Endless complilations, remastered stuff that no one is wanting or waiting for. New work.... we'll see.

I once wrote in a magazine in 1997 that I did not think Oygene 7-13 was that good. I thought some tracks were not new or refreshing and I said I was afraid that JM Jarre was on his way out. I predicted that the albums he would release after that would not be considered important (even though I really liked Metamorphoses, the real world couldn't care less), that the remixes of all the new tracks would not be considered interesting in the danceworld (and almost all of those were awful) and that the fact that he would do concerts indoor (and no longer the big events) would also not help his status. I think I was pretty much right. We know him, but the rest of the world has forgotten.

The response to this honest review were amazing. I was stoned to death and people were outraged. How dared I say something negative. Even the record company called me and asked why I said these things.

I am still a fan and I still love his music. Even though the last 10-15 years have not been that interesting anymore.

Kanta - Fri Nov 14, 2014 10:46 am

Zoolook (30th Anniversary Edition) (Remastered):

iTunes available for download - 14 November 2014:
https://itunes.apple.com/gb/album/zoolook-30th-anniversary-edition/id936769238
Amazon UK available for download - 14 November 2014:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/g...5962234&sr=8-14
Amazon Germany available for download - 14 November 2014:
http://www.amazon.de/gp/p...15977720&sr=8-1

Finaero - Fri Nov 14, 2014 4:35 pm

Listening to Zoolookologie @2014 on Spotify.

Hey, at least it's not the remix!

Blah Blah Cafe has some odd noise in it (similar to certain effects in Oxygene 1 @ 2007).

Ethnicolor I actually brings out some sounds I hadn't really noticed before, but it's stilll a mess. For example at the 9:22 part when the strings kick in... or as it does in this mix, try to kick in and just sort of drop in there. Eh.

Christophe - Fri Nov 14, 2014 4:58 pm

Finaero wrote:
Listening to Zoolookologie @2014 on Spotify.

Hey, at least it's not the remix!

Blah Blah Cafe has some odd noise in it (similar to certain effects in Oxygene 1 @ 2007).

Ethnicolor I actually brings out some sounds I hadn't really noticed before, but it's stilll a mess. For example at the 9:22 part when the strings kick in... or as it does in this mix, try to kick in and just sort of drop in there. Eh.

Downloaded it from iTunes. Can not say that I hear something realy bad in it. But I need to listen to the remastered cd-version in January. Then I can judge better. :wink:

Greetings,


christophe

Dr_Jones - Fri Nov 14, 2014 5:08 pm

Is left/right swapped like the 1997 remasters?
Christophe - Fri Nov 14, 2014 5:31 pm

Dr_Jones wrote:
Is left/right swapped like the 1997 remasters?

Sounds normal! :D

Greetings,


Christophe

Finaero - Fri Nov 14, 2014 8:44 pm

Zoolookologie's kick sounds really weird at the end (as opposed to the beginning) as well... maybe some of this stuff was present before, though :P

Can't comment on the L/R issue since I usually wear headphones the wrong way since I want the headphone cable to go over/past my right shoulder instead of the left one. >_>

Dr_Jones - Fri Nov 14, 2014 9:59 pm

Yes, I just checked it myself - left & right are the same again.
Kanta - Fri Nov 14, 2014 10:04 pm



Listening to the Zoolook 30th Anniversary Edition Remastered digital release at the moment and it is awesome...!

Dr_Jones - Fri Nov 14, 2014 10:08 pm

DarkVoyage wrote:
Swapped channels is not a problem really. Are you sure that they are not corrected in 1997 as it was intended, while all others are wrong?


I guess not. The 2014 remaster has the channels just like the 1984 release has.

Dr_Jones - Fri Nov 14, 2014 10:08 pm

Another odd thing: this release has the 1984 non remix version of Zoolookologie and the 1985 remix version of Zoolook.
Dr_Jones - Fri Nov 14, 2014 10:15 pm

Well, they f****d that Zoolook remaster up majorly... Ethnicolor 1, at 6:51, a short repeated fragment, probably a mistake with copy/pasting... Where's the quality control when you need it?
Dr_Jones - Fri Nov 14, 2014 10:34 pm

1984: http://drjones.home.xs4all.nl/jarre/right.mp3
2014: http://drjones.home.xs4all.nl/jarre/wrong.mp3

Finaero - Fri Nov 14, 2014 10:55 pm

Yeah, the wrong one's present in the 1997 remaster as well.
Kanta - Fri Nov 14, 2014 10:57 pm

Just edited your post with the f word just in case anyone finds it offensive. Coen. :wink:
Dr_Jones - Fri Nov 14, 2014 10:59 pm

Kanta wrote:
Just edited your post with the f word just in case anyone finds it offensive. Coen. :wink:


Fair, but the real offense is this remaster :-P

Kanta - Fri Nov 14, 2014 11:02 pm

Dr_Jones wrote:
Kanta wrote:
Just edited your post with the f word just in case anyone finds it offensive. Coen. :wink:


Fair, but the real offense is this remaster :-P

Okay, that is understandable but still at least it is not 100% of the album.

Phil - Sat Nov 22, 2014 12:07 pm

Dr_Jones wrote:
Another odd thing: this release has the 1984 non remix version of Zoolookologie and the 1985 remix version of Zoolook.


Personally, i think both are from 1984... :robertdugenou: (but Zoolook "1985 Remix" is very similar) :



Zoolook 2014 -> DR7 only :cry: (DR = Dynamic Range)



Zoolook 1984 -> DR13 :bravo:

Finaero - Sat Nov 22, 2014 12:39 pm

:\ Such a shame.

Not as big of a shame that my vinyl versions of Zoolook aren't in that good condition so I can't make a fancy Zoolook 30th Anniversary edition of my own, and I lack the 1984 CD version. Probably would include the normal album + the compilation CD versions of the Zoolook + Zoolookologie extended mixes in it. I wonder what else could be added...

Robi - Sat Nov 22, 2014 5:09 pm

A certain time has slowly recently come, once people has been geting bored of jarre.

He even can't "loan" a man who could make a decent remasterization. Rather than being a cisac vagabond, he had better paying more attention on musical productions.


Considering ALL these happenings or results, or "achievements".....this is how one can consider future music productions. If any on the way.

Jon - Sat Nov 22, 2014 10:42 pm

Robi wrote:
A certain time has slowly recently come, once people has been geting bored of jarre.

He even can't "loan" a man who could make a decent remasterization. Rather than being a cisac vagabond, he had better paying more attention on musical productions.


Considering ALL these happenings or results, or "achievements".....this is how one can consider future music productions. If any on the way.


Sometimes it's not the sole responsibility of the artist. Things can and do slip through the net. One reason, for the case of these Jarre remasters, could be down to the amount of albums being worked on. We do not know the time frame each album gets. Then there is whether Jarre is present 24/7 with these albums. That I doubt when you look at all these venues he attends. That is time consuming, So when you hire a professional to work on your recordings, you have to rely on that person being the "professional" they are.

In early 2005 when I was working with composer/producer/conductor Jeff Wayne, we were doing a fans meet & greet show. Jeff and his team with Sony had been working on putting his 1978 album Jeff Wayne's Musical Version of The War of the Worlds into 5.1. After I spent a little time in his studio listening to how the album was being reconstructed, he kindly sent me a copy of the entire album before it went through its final mastering at Sony. Infact, what I heard was taken directly from the master that was ready to go to Sony that very week and regarded as "done". Being a huge fan of the album, I spotted several glitches within the recordings that once I informed Jeff, the album was halted and the glitches rectified (my claim to fame there with that album release). But it comes to show that the artist thought the album was in a stage of completion. Imagine the fans picking those faults out once the album has gone to press and in stores.

In short, what I am saying is that regardless mistakes can happen and slip through the net despite how much of a perfectionist you are. Even perfectionism can get in the way of being a perfectionist as you are so orientated on one thing while letting other things pass by.

Elf - Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:28 am

Kanta wrote:
Just edited your post with the f word just in case anyone finds it offensive. Coen. :wink:


http://youtu.be/fHMoDt3nSHs?t=3m22s :)

Black Bird - Mon Nov 24, 2014 2:17 pm

Elf wrote:
Kanta wrote:
Just edited your post with the f word just in case anyone finds it offensive. Coen. :wink:


http://youtu.be/fHMoDt3nSHs?t=3m22s :)


Ha ha ha :nod: so true !

Phil - Tue Nov 25, 2014 1:53 pm

Christophe wrote:
Dr_Jones wrote:
Is left/right swapped like the 1997 remasters?

Sounds normal! :D

Greetings,


Christophe


Left & Right are the same (and there is no remix) on new remaster. :)

But i found something very curious on the 1997 remaster, all titles have not left & right swapped :pwned: : (waveform comparison)

"Green" = left & right NOT swapped | "Orange" = swapped

Zoolook "1984" (first CD) vs "1997" :

01 - Ethnicolor
02 - Diva
03 - Zoolook : not sure

04 - Wooloomooloo
05 - Zoolookologie
06 - Blah Blah Cafe : not sure
07 - Ethnicolor 2

Same thing with Equinoxe "1983" (first CD) vs "1997" :

01 - Equinoxe I
02 - Equinoxe II
03 - Equinoxe III
04 - Equinoxe IV
05 - Equinoxe V : not sure
06 - Equinoxe VI
07 - Equinoxe VII : not sure

08 - Equinoxe VIII : First part only ?? => click to open image file (Equinoxe VIII)

Edit : Equinoxe Studio Masters 2011 & 2014 CD (same remastering) have left/right swapped ( track 1 to 8 ).

Goudeskitchen - Thu Nov 27, 2014 9:22 pm

So, it looks like the new 'Chronology' remaster is not just a typo as they've changed the album cover text to show the English title now.

http://www.sonymusic.pl/a...arre-chronology

According to this website (and this was posted on a Facebook group), it will also have the Revolution, Revolutions version on Revolutions but I'm not totally surprised by that due to the, a-hem, 'copyright' issue. :nod:

Finaero - Thu Nov 27, 2014 9:28 pm

I'm quite sure I'm in the ultra-minority here, but after all these years I've finally finalized my conviction that the PLD version (AKA Revolution, Revolutions) is definitely the better one. For me, anyway. Got no shame about it! :smoke:

As for "Chronology", hey, I'm glad they're focusing on the real issues with these remasters! HEH, HEH- :cry:

Robi - Sat Nov 29, 2014 11:37 am

Jon wrote:
Robi wrote:
A certain time has slowly recently come, once people has been geting bored of jarre.

He even can't "loan" a man who could make a decent remasterization. Rather than being a cisac vagabond, he had better paying more attention on musical productions.


Considering ALL these happenings or results, or "achievements".....this is how one can consider future music productions. If any on the way.


In short, what I am saying is that regardless mistakes can happen and slip through the net despite how much of a perfectionist you are. Even perfectionism can get in the way of being a perfectionist as you are so orientated on one thing while letting other things pass by.


I see this point...the probelm is, the new album is supposed to be mastered by this David fellow...

moviemaker - Tue Dec 02, 2014 12:27 am

Kanta wrote:
Zoolook (30th Anniversary Edition) (Remastered):

iTunes available for download - 14 November 2014:
https://itunes.apple.com/gb/album/zoolook-30th-anniversary-edition/id936769238
Amazon UK available for download - 14 November 2014:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/g...5962234&sr=8-14
Amazon Germany available for download - 14 November 2014:
http://www.amazon.de/gp/p...15977720&sr=8-1


Of course... not available in the US iTunes store. Hilarious.

When will he release his new album featuring David Lynch and others?

Robi - Tue Dec 02, 2014 8:41 am

moviemaker wrote:
When will he release his new album featuring David Lynch and others?


See my signature. :smoke:

Kanta - Tue Dec 02, 2014 3:56 pm



Biography of David Perreau - Sound Engineer
By Jérôme

David Perreau is an engineer born in 1968. After studying physics in high school Grandmont Tours, he began his career in 1989 at Radio France. 5 years later, he joined the NRJ Group, where he will stay 13 years.

There he supports audio processing management all radios of the group (NRJ, Chérie FM, Nostalgia, Rire & Chansons) in France and abroad, and participates in the development of many settings functions on ranges treatment. In 1998 he was appointed to the direction of the audio technical service and developing several projects such as the digitization of the group's studios in the country, or the establishment of a transfer management system and dissemination of remote advertising.

In 2002, he founded the company in Paris DPMS Mastering Sound Design that works especially for the music industry. Furthermore stamped NRJ projects Perreau among its first customers David Guetta and Joachim Garraud . When Jean-Michel Jarre approach it in 2003, to entrust disappointment with the result of mastering makes his album "Geometry of love", he suggested he contact David Perreau. Thus began a long collaboration that continues today.

Among the highlights of this cooperation include modification by a Perreau processing to manage the 5.1 format of the album "Aero" (2004). In addition, his work on the DVD "Jarre in China" gets the THX Ultra 2 George Lucas (2004). From 2007, he signed his regular involvement of his nickname Dave Dadwater (father + water). In 2008, David Perreau became technical director of the new Goom Radio launched on the internet. Then in 2010, he founded "Yakuda Audio" specializes in audio processing for radio and television. Soon after, Jean-Michel Jarre implies a long project remastering of his previous work, beginning with the ancient rare titles grouped on the compilation "Rarities" . Follow most of his albums are sold again on vinyl and CD media between 2011 and 2015.

Website: http://yakudaaudio.com/

Participation to albums
2003 - Geometry of love (uncredited)
2004 - Aero
2004 - Jarre in China (DVD)
2005 - Live From Gdansk (Koncert W Stoczni)
2007 - Téo & Téa
2007 - Oxygène (30th Anniversary)
2011 - Essentials and rarities
2011 - Oxygène, Equinoxe, Magnetic songs (vinyl remasters)
2014 - Oxygène, Equinoxe, Les chants magnétiques, Les concerts en Chine, Houston/Lyon, Destination Docklands (remasters CDs)
2015 - Zoolook, Rendez-vous, Révolutions, En attendant Cousteau, Chronologie (remasters CDs)

Participation in concerts
2011 - Royal Wedding in Monaco

Source and credit: http://aerozonejmj.fr/dav...2003/#more-3013

Robi - Tue Dec 02, 2014 5:03 pm

Luckily he will be mastering new album as well.

Though.....nevermind..........

Finaero - Tue Dec 02, 2014 7:37 pm

You know, at one point I did think that the Monaco 2011 gig sounds quite bassy and loud (compared to some other recordings like 10/10/10).
shadow - Wed Dec 03, 2014 8:03 pm

So he worked for more than ten years in radio? Well that does explain pretty much all about his awful (re)mastering skills honestly. I honestly think he just doesn't know better at this point than what he's actually doing.
Robi - Wed Dec 03, 2014 9:13 pm

shadow wrote:
So he worked for more than ten years in radio? Well that does explain pretty much all about his awful (re)mastering skills honestly. I honestly think he just doesn't know better at this point than what he's actually doing.


Hmmm, and the Maaaster is satisfied with his master. :punch:

Kanta - Fri Dec 05, 2014 9:53 pm



Remastered albums 2015 available on Amazon UK:

Zoolook (Remastered 2015)
30th Anniversary Edition
Audio CD / Release Date: 5 January 2015
Source: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Z...an+michel+jarre

Waiting For Cousteau (Remastered 2015)
Audio CD / Release Date: 5 January 2015
Source: http://www.amazon.co.uk/W...16914848&sr=1-3

Revolutions (Remastered 2015)
Audio CD / Release Date: 5 January 2015
Source: http://www.amazon.co.uk/R...an+michel+jarre

Rendez-Vous (Remastered 2015)
Audio CD / Release Date: 5 January 2015
Source: http://www.amazon.co.uk/R...an+michel+jarre

Chronology (Remastered 2015)
Audio CD / Release Date: 5 January 2015
Source: http://www.amazon.co.uk/C...16914848&sr=1-1

-MD- - Sat Dec 06, 2014 5:55 pm

Wow... It's kinda weird they've changed the title of Chronologie like that to make it more "English"? What next? Oxygen part 4? Equinox 7? :O
Christophe - Sat Dec 06, 2014 9:10 pm

-MD- wrote:
Wow... It's kinda weird they've changed the title of Chronologie like that to make it more "English"? What next? Oxygen part 4? Equinox 7? :O

Since the "AERO"-compilation they wrote "Chronologie" like "Chronology". It's only strange to me that they change the album name, but it's not a real surprise. :wink:

Greetings,


Christophe

Andy - Mon Dec 08, 2014 10:11 am

Well, then Arcade was somewhat visionary back in 1993... :P :D

http://www.discogs.com/Ed...release/2947086 (track #17)

Christophe - Mon Dec 08, 2014 2:40 pm

Andy wrote:
Well, then Arcade was somewhat visionary back in 1993... :P :D

http://www.discogs.com/Ed...release/2947086 (track #17)

Yes, for the tracktitle then. The coverversion was another cup of tea! :wink:

Greetings,


Christophe

Icarus - Sun Dec 21, 2014 10:12 am

The prices of these new remasters seems very cheap in France, it's only 6.95 € on Amazon. I remember I paid 8.45 € for Destination Docklands.

So I pre-ordered Chronology and Waiting for Cousteau, now I have to wait the 5th January.

rinogurr - Sat Jan 03, 2015 2:28 pm

Zoolook has had the cover changed. The "30th Anniversary Edition" text was removed.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Z...an+michel+jarre

https://www.jpc.de/jpcng/...ok/hnum/6368137

Kanta - Sat Jan 03, 2015 2:52 pm



Remastered Albums January 2015 - Zoolook 30th Anniversary Edition - Rendez-Vous - Revolutions - Waiting For Cousteau - Chronology

Source: http://www.sonymusic.de/home/

Finaero - Sat Jan 03, 2015 3:41 pm

They seem to be available on Spotify already.

Checked out Revolution, Revolutions - it's actually nice that the strings sound a bit more real and clear.

Buried in a bassy Loudness War mess, though.

Ah well.

Dr_Jones - Sat Jan 03, 2015 3:42 pm

Chronologie 4 still has the skip-glitch at 2:09. Rendez-Vous sounds very dull compared to the 1986 CD. Chronology is also not an improvement. Haven't listened to the others yet, because I can't be bothered.
Finaero - Sat Jan 03, 2015 3:55 pm

The Swatch beeps seem to start earlier than before in Chronologie 8 and appear to be out of sync. Boh!

[EDIT] Listening to Chronology with headphones on... man, the 1997 remaster sounds like ultra top-notch work compared to this. A shame, a real god-damn shame.

Robi - Sat Jan 03, 2015 6:09 pm

it may sound naive, but in everyday life, don't we make a final check before releasing our work, our result?

I will never understand the "master" , yeah it should be jmj, for chosing david.

Being really happy new album gets his final....."mastering".....

Jarreteam, anyway, fired Edith because she dared to say "it's a magnifique collaboration album" or "jmj was in Berlin at Sony". something like this. Minor "teaser" !!!
So this tells us a lot about jmj or fiona.
Edith did't leak the title or the artwork of the new album. And still...

Velodynamic - Sun Jan 04, 2015 12:07 pm

Well OK...so we have waited 17 years for..."this"? Hah!
I'm so bored I don't even have the guts to look for the price tag on those so called "master pieces".
I stick to my old CD's thank you very much...I still like them I think...at least I use to. :?

Robi - Sun Jan 04, 2015 1:04 pm

Btw, Aero succeded quite well in 2004...


Or not? What about its sound structure?

furthermore, these recent mistakes are only for remasterization???



I am truly curious for a sound expert's opinion!


Remastering mistakes happen more frequently for back catalogue albums than in the case of mastering a brand new material?

Robi - Sun Jan 04, 2015 3:35 pm

some insight from David due tomorrow.
:wink:

kaiserkarl - Sun Jan 04, 2015 6:07 pm

Robi - Are you saying that Edith has been fired from Aero Prod ? Please elaborate....
Jon - Sun Jan 04, 2015 6:11 pm

I have seen these re-releases in my local HMV music store and I have left them on the shelf. So glad I have after reading many of the indepth comments on here. Comments are comments, but many are posted by those who do scrutinize the latest releases. If mistakes are there, they are there and they should not be there to begin with and you guys picked them up.

I cannot and will not support the artist by buying endless reissues of an album if the sales they produce prevent the artist from producing new material for fans to buy. The artist may wish to live on reissues, but as a fan, I do not. My apparent boycotting may sound harsh, but if we did that then that may mean the artist may put their arse in gear for releasing new material. It gets boring seeing the same album being released, rereleased, rerereleased.

It is now 8 years since we heard new material from Jarre and if the rumours are true that the posts being made on the offical Jarre Facebook page are not from Jarre, then what reasons do we have to believe 2015 is the year we are getting anything new if we don't hear it from the man himself. Hard to believe the last studio album was T&T from eight years back.

Robi - Sun Jan 04, 2015 8:42 pm

I will buy only Zoolook, to have the album on cd.

Anyway, it is obvious Jarre himself does not type anything on facebook. The management does. I have no problem with this method at all.


All these 50th re-issues....isn't this up to countless number of musical acts?


....Since jarre signed to a label, I think in fall of 2013, it was (or, should have been - for us) logical first step that albums get reissues.

Robi - Sun Jan 04, 2015 8:45 pm

kaiserkarl wrote:
Robi - Are you saying that Edith has been fired from Aero Prod ? Please elaborate....


yes something like this was written by "erosmachine" on Aerozone forum. But I think jeanbatman can accurately translate.

Robi - Mon Jan 05, 2015 8:15 am

David Perreau
13:37
David Perreau

Hola Robert podemos hablar?
Róbert János Gyurján
13:39
Róbert János Gyurján

Hello David! I understand english only.
David Perreau
13:40
David Perreau

Ok you are not from Spain?

Here?
Róbert János Gyurján
13:52
Róbert János Gyurján

nope I'm from Hungary.

http://www.zoolook.nl/for...ac6fd516#191219

this is the most active jarre forum. here you can read some pages from people having been listenned to new remasters.
David Perreau
13:56
David Perreau

Ok just to say that the remastered that had been done is the choose of Jean Michel. I can understand that you disagree this type of loudness but this was a choice because of the issues when pepos add song inside their playlist mixed with other songs... Old mastering version are available and again I can understand that you don't like... But again this is choice and in the other hand many people were complaining because sound was too small...
Róbert János Gyurján
14:00
Róbert János Gyurján

First of all. Sorry if my tone sounds a bit raw and "cruel" but, on behalf of many members, I don't understand those of mistakes occured for remasters. Is this something happens during remasterization on back catalogue albums only and not occur during the mastering of brand new material? I am not audio expert, this is why I ask.
Róbert János Gyurján
14:03
Róbert János Gyurján

Because, for example, back in 2004, Aero succeeded very well and audio quality is top!

This is why it's kinda weird what happened with recent remasters. Let's say, there are many parts in albums which sound good and even better...though, in general, we can face to those issues you can read on this forum.
David Perreau
14:07
David Perreau

This is complicated to explain how we did this work because it was very complex... Now remastering old material was only real compromise choices. And the first question was do we remaster to increase loudness or not... With many pressure about that was on the market and because many listeners were pushing too... Some of them doesn't want and other yes... This very different like doing this with contents new like we did with Aero... Again old mastering are still available that is why people can choose... So please don't be so hard on the messages that you publish on Facebook page:-)
David Perreau
14:08
David Perreau

Yes I know but again the old material were very complex to work with... Only compromises...
Róbert János Gyurján
14:09
Róbert János Gyurján

well, OK, David. I see more points on these reworks.

Once again, sorry if i was rude...
David Perreau
14:10
David Perreau

That is why I tried to contact you:-)
Róbert János Gyurján
14:10
Róbert János Gyurján

Merci !!

.....

I don't wish to have those comments on your facebook page (Yakudaaudio)

so I delete them.
David Perreau
14:12
David Perreau

Merci:-)
Róbert János Gyurján
14:12
Róbert János Gyurján

lastly :

I hope jm's new album mastering will result as fine as for Aero.

Now I know : it won't depend on you.
David Perreau
14:14
David Perreau

How do you know that he is preparing a new album ?:-)
Róbert János Gyurján
14:14
Róbert János Gyurján

cause you will do your best.

How I know ? It's poetic question , right?

I'm 31, and following his works for about 15 years.
David Perreau
14:16
David Perreau

Ah ah:-) you will have some good news soon:-) I can't tell you more:-)
Róbert János Gyurján
14:17
Róbert János Gyurján

news portals, his social sites....but believe me, there are more active fans than me!!

David!

I am thankful for your input, time and overall help explaining things.

So I wouldn't bother you more. have nice Sunday afternoon.
David Perreau
14:21
David Perreau

Merci beaucoup! Have a nice weekend
Róbert János Gyurján
14:22
Róbert János Gyurján

Again, thank-you & looking forward to new musical productions.

Merci a toi! bye bye! ( i know french a little bit

Black Bird - Mon Jan 05, 2015 2:31 pm

Thank you sharing. Interesting, but for me it`s no matter when it will be a new Album.
I "know" this year, and that´s enough for me. And I don´t buy remastered Versions, I love the old ones, and I don´t need new ones.
And about Edith....If there was (or is) a Lady with this Name who was (or is) working for him, These are only rumors. And also the reasons why she was fired. Maybe she done some other wrong things.
I think he was maybe in Berlin to meet someone special, a person who has nothing to do with Sony but with special events (?) :nod:
If he was at Potsdamer Platz, sure he will go into Sony and say "hello" :wink:

Domestos - Mon Jan 05, 2015 2:59 pm

Finaero wrote:
They seem to be available on Spotify already.

Checked out Revolution, Revolutions - it's actually nice that the strings sound a bit more real and clear.

Buried in a bassy Loudness War mess, though.

Ah well.


Have had a listen on Spotify too.

I've found with these re-masters that I have to stick a limiter on my otherwise fine EQ settings, or my speakers distort - I'm assuming this is due to the 'loudness' removing any headroom.....

And there's really odd pops and crackles during quiet bits on WFC.

Finaero - Mon Jan 05, 2015 3:38 pm

Well, I wouldn't really call AERO a better remaster (well, it is, but that's beside the point). A lot of it has too much channel panning going on and for that matter, I don't know why a lot of it sounds crispy. Not crispy as in sounding pretty sharp, but as if it was mixed inside a bag of crisps.

But David did sort of confirm one thing which is at the root of this remastering issue, that it's not really up to Jean-Michel even if he is said to approve of the remasters. It is up to the record company itself and they want it LOUD. It's the similar case with Depeche Mode releases, Playing the Angel is a classic example of LOUD and their latest live release just reeks of LOUD as well.

Which is why the Pink Floyd 2011-12 remasters just stand out even more, but of course, Pink Floyd is sort of one of those bands who are guaranteed to make money in any case, so they can afford getting beautifully remastered releases out.

C'est la vie.

(And boy does the rest of Fifth Rendez-Vous, eh, sink at 5:03 when the ... bassoon? comes in)

jeanbatman - Mon Jan 05, 2015 7:01 pm

Robi wrote:
kaiserkarl wrote:
Robi - Are you saying that Edith has been fired from Aero Prod ? Please elaborate....


yes something like this was written by "erosmachine" on Aerozone forum. But I think jeanbatman can accurately translate.

No such thing was written… :roll:
It was only stated Edith would not respond to fans on Facebook anymore about the new albums… Maybe she's fearing some so-called "fans" distort reality.

Velodynamic - Mon Jan 05, 2015 11:40 pm

jeanbatman wrote:

It was only stated Edith would not respond to fans on Facebook anymore about the new albums… Maybe she's fearing some so-called "fans" distort reality.

Maybe this could've been avoided from the start had there been a "clean" channel with correct official information straight from the author to the fans about i.e. new albums "if" now there actually are any new albums on their way wouldn't you think? Why not simply trying to use some news section on the official web site for a change? :P

Kanta - Tue Jan 06, 2015 12:49 pm

Velodynamic wrote:
Why not simply trying to use some news section on the official web site for a change? :P

I agree. :P

ChoccyUK - Thu Jan 08, 2015 11:29 am

I decided to purchase the new batch of 2015 CD albums using a Christmas/Birthday Amazon gift voucher only to receive unsealed CDs.

Has anyone else received theirs unsealed and/or scratched ? :(

Not had a chance to listen to them yet.

Christophe - Thu Jan 08, 2015 11:59 am

What about the artwork? Is this time without mistakes? Can someone scan the backcovers, the discs, please? I don't found them on the web. Thanks! :wink:

Greetings,


Christophe

jeanbatman - Thu Jan 08, 2015 1:23 pm

Velodynamic wrote:
Maybe this could've been avoided from the start had there been a "clean" channel with correct official information straight from the author to the fans about i.e. new albums "if" now there actually are any new albums on their way wouldn't you think? Why not simply trying to use some news section on the official web site for a change? :P

I agree, too…

rinogurr - Thu Jan 08, 2015 8:56 pm

Christophe wrote:
What about the artwork? Is this time without mistakes? Can someone scan the backcovers, the discs, please? I don't found them on the web. Thanks! :wink:

Greetings,


Christophe


I found only Zoolook and Chronology. The Disques Dreyfus and BMG logos not appeared in this second set of releases:





Source:
http://www.discogs.com/Je...release/6491473

http://www.discogs.com/Je...release/6473164

Christophe - Thu Jan 08, 2015 9:20 pm

Thanks a lot! :wink:

Greetings,


Christophe

melo - Fri Jan 09, 2015 12:46 pm


Finaero - Fri Jan 09, 2015 3:10 pm

That Chronology back cover actually looks pretty nice.

Not gonna make up for the other issues, though :P

(For example, how the first part of Chronologie 1 fades out very abruptly)

Christophe - Fri Jan 09, 2015 7:33 pm

What about the boring backcovers of "Revolutions" and "Waiting for Cousteau"? The original and the remastered one (1987) from "Rendez-Vous" was nice! :wink:

Maybe someone can show them all here? :wink:

Greetings,


Christophe

shadow - Fri Jan 09, 2015 8:04 pm

"New mastering from the original analoge tapes"

Too bad that was wasted the moment the remastering started...

Sobtanian - Fri Jan 09, 2015 9:13 pm

The 5 albums arrived today from Germany. Quick listening is disappointing sadly, however one HUGE issue is the horrendous pitch bend and reverb during the first minute of R2 Part 1.

What were they thinking. Anyone else notice it?

These albums are clearly remasters with tin can in mind, not headphones or speakers. Boosted like crazy, the subtlety of all the music has gone. LOUD LOUD LOUD WITH EXTRA BOOST AND PITCH BENDS IF YOU PLEASE.

Christophe - Fri Jan 09, 2015 9:29 pm

Sobtanian wrote:
The 5 albums arrived today from Germany.

Can you make scans of the backcovers and discs, please? Thanks in advance! :wink:

Greetings,


Christophe

Dr_Jones - Fri Jan 09, 2015 10:01 pm

also, what's in the booklets?
Robi - Fri Jan 09, 2015 10:48 pm

Sobtanian wrote:
The 5 albums arrived today from Germany. Quick listening is disappointing sadly, however one HUGE issue is the horrendous pitch bend and reverb during the first minute of R2 Part 1.

What were they thinking. Anyone else notice it?

These albums are clearly remasters with tin can in mind, not headphones or speakers. Boosted like crazy, the subtlety of all the music has gone. LOUD LOUD LOUD WITH EXTRA BOOST AND PITCH BENDS IF YOU PLEASE.


we learn :

"pusher" - record company

"the one having been pushed" - jm

C'est La Vie

Kanta - Fri Jan 09, 2015 11:21 pm



Listening to the remastered albums 2015 and I am happy with the results. I have no issue of any of the differences...!

rinogurr - Fri Jan 09, 2015 11:31 pm

Christophe wrote:
Sobtanian wrote:
The 5 albums arrived today from Germany.

Can you make scans of the backcovers and discs, please? Thanks in advance! :wink:

Greetings,


Christophe


In the Spanish forum has new photos:

http://www.jeanmicheljarr...44610#msg244610

Christophe - Fri Jan 09, 2015 11:35 pm

rinogurr wrote:
Christophe wrote:
Sobtanian wrote:
The 5 albums arrived today from Germany.

Can you make scans of the backcovers and discs, please? Thanks in advance! :wink:

Greetings,


Christophe


In the Spanish forum has new photos:

http://www.jeanmicheljarr...44610#msg244610

Gracias! :) :wink:

Dr_Jones - Fri Jan 09, 2015 11:35 pm

The excessive reverb on the Revolution title track, Rendez-Vous being too fuzzy and the pitich-bending glitch at the start of RV2 (starts after the 0:16 mark), the way they mixed Chrono 1.1 and 1.2 (is there some kind of silence there?), the solo at the end of Chrono 2 which is too quiet, Chrono 3's too fuzzy and the clocks are suddenly very very loud, Chrono 4's glitch at 2:09, Chrono 8 has the Swatch alarm timed totally wrong (WTF is up with that??? weren't they using the right tapes?), Calypso 3's drums are too thin and something they did with the fade-out, like they put a lot of white noise with it.

Yeah, they are top-notch-work. Everyone should be happy with what they did.

Sobtanian - Sat Jan 10, 2015 7:37 am

I'm going to listen to them all today, but yeah what you say Dr_Jones is so disappointing.

I'm sorry Kanta but there's no way you can't be disappointed with the pitch bending in the first minute or Rendezvous 2! Just listen to the original and this "remaster" and tell me you don't mind it.

To quote another fan, it feels like the original master tapes were left behind a radiator for all these years.

:(

Robi - Sat Jan 10, 2015 8:09 am

Kanta wrote:
Image

Listening to the remastered albums 2015 and I am happy with the results. I have no issue of any of the differences...!



But it is well known that WHATEVER jmj does or does not, you are always fine and happy with it....

Christophe - Sat Jan 10, 2015 8:24 am

Robi wrote:
Kanta wrote:
Image

Listening to the remastered albums 2015 and I am happy with the results. I have no issue of any of the differences...!



But it is well known that WHATEVER jmj does or does not, you are always fine and happy with it....

Even she will love the sound of the farts of Jarre on a disc. It's not a crime to choose what you like and dislike. But it's weird to love everything what Jarre does. Everybody here know that nobody is perfect and that we make mistakes from time to time. And an artist also! :) :roll: :wink:

Greetings,


Christophe

Finaero - Sat Jan 10, 2015 9:41 am

Dr_Jones wrote:
and the pitich-bending glitch at the start of RV2 (starts after the 0:16 mark)


... Okay, just listened to that one.

Even when you take into mind that the remasters are LOUD because essentially that's what the record company wants (that and they're not doing this for old fans), that's just subpar work. Good grief.

To sum it up, Pink Floyd's 2011 releases and Kraftwerks' Der Katalog from 2009 count as amazing remasters. Whatever's going on with Jarre and Depeche Mode is far from it.

Dr_Jones - Sat Jan 10, 2015 10:19 am

Finaero wrote:
Even when you take into mind that the remasters are LOUD because essentially that's what the record company wants (that and they're not doing this for old fans), that's just subpar work. Good grief.


I just let my girlfriend listen to it, totally not a Jarre fan and someone who knows not much songs. She immediately heard it.

Try the end of Chrono 8, where you can hear the slowed down Swatch alarm, for a real shocker.

Sobtanian - Sat Jan 10, 2015 10:31 am

Dr_Jones wrote:
Finaero wrote:
Even when you take into mind that the remasters are LOUD because essentially that's what the record company wants (that and they're not doing this for old fans), that's just subpar work. Good grief.


I just let my girlfriend listen to it, totally not a Jarre fan and someone who knows not much songs. She immediately heard it.

Try the end of Chrono 8, where you can hear the slowed down Swatch alarm, for a real shocker.


EXACTLY what I did with the wife, who isn't a fan either. She told me it sounded DREADFUL.

I'm going to hit Chronologie (why oh why is it Chronology now?!) 8 now... not looking forward to it.

Kanta - Sat Jan 10, 2015 3:35 pm

If anyone is interested I have uploaded a photo album for the Remastered Albums January 2015 where the booklets can be seen:
https://www.facebook.com/...=1&l=b6a614f08d

I will ignore the comments made by some here just because of my opinions. it is not a total loss completely. Yes, there are certain issues with the albums but not everywhere and I am still glad I purchased the albums. The booklets as you will see are very nice, imho!

Finaero - Sat Jan 10, 2015 4:54 pm

The booklets are actually pretty good (possibly even better than the 1997 ones which were a bit too heavy on rambling at times), that's something.
Christophe - Sat Jan 10, 2015 5:33 pm

Kanta wrote:
If anyone is interested I have uploaded a photo album for the Remastered Albums January 2015 where the booklets can be seen:
https://www.facebook.com/...=1&l=b6a614f08d

Thank you for do this effort. :)

Greetings,


Christophe

rinogurr - Sat Jan 10, 2015 5:50 pm

The track title of Waiting for Cousteau in French???????? :shock:
Christophe - Sat Jan 10, 2015 6:02 pm

rinogurr wrote:
The track title of Waiting for Cousteau in French???????? :shock:

I saw it too! Look at "Revolutions" last track. It's "L'emigrant" instead of "The Emigrant". Though the rest of the tracklist is in English. :shock:

In other way nice and pretty booklets! :) :wink:

Greetings,


Christophe

Robi - Sat Jan 10, 2015 6:21 pm

1) for techical issues, mistakes - blame David.

2) for compressed and loud sound - blame Sony / JMJ and the industry

3) once again, for technical issues - blame JMJ / management, who has chosen David and not paying enough attention by requesting David to be accurate.

4) booklets are good!

Velodynamic - Sun Jan 11, 2015 12:11 am

Well some of the more "poppier" tracks could have some benefits out of this kind of remastering e.g. some from the Zoolook album, Rendez Vous 4 or Revolution, Revolutions.
Calypso remaster 2015 on Spotify is spelled "Capypso". ;)
Waiting For Coseau is timed as 46:46. Is this the correct lenght of the track?

Sobtanian - Sun Jan 11, 2015 8:12 am

Yes I agree with you there, some of his tracks are dance-y so this kinda remastering makes them a bit more clubby. However it doesn't justiy the technique and mistakes at all.

My main issue with the sleeves is that the back sleeves are all stylised as "Jean-Michel Jarre" while the fronts of only Zoolook and Revolutions are the same. The rest don't have the hyphen.

This gives the impression that two separate teams worked on the sleeve, or someone was asleep while doing it. It's really frustrating, you would have thought that a huge amount of effort went into re-releasing such a rich back catalogue, not a job my 5 year old son could have done at school.

Sobtanian - Sun Jan 11, 2015 10:39 am

I put together a quick video comparing the first minute of Rendezvous 2, from original CD and 2015 remaster.

In case you need to show someone and cry, here it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KT2v5EXDX34

Robi - Sun Jan 11, 2015 12:15 pm

contact@yakudaaudio.com

David Perreau awaiting your advices, comments.

synthmann - Sun Jan 11, 2015 12:18 pm

Sobtanian wrote:
I put together a quick video comparing the first minute of Rendezvous 2, from original CD and 2015 remaster.

In case you need to show someone and cry, here it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KT2v5EXDX34


I played this clip and the disaster is so obvious! I played it on macbook air internal speakers at the dining table and my girfriend on the couch could hear how false the remaster sounds.

Didn't anyone do a final check on these?

I haven't spent any money on remasters, not these and not the previous ones, and will never do. My old versions from back in the early nineties are just fine and I've imported those lossless as Wav files into iTunes anyway so hardly need for the physical disc anymore. This remastering is just marketing blabla.

Big time - Sun Jan 11, 2015 1:05 pm

Sobtanian wrote:
I put together a quick video comparing the first minute of Rendezvous 2, from original CD and 2015 remaster.

In case you need to show someone and cry, here it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KT2v5EXDX34


Oh my god, that is both disturbing and amateurish.. :shock:

How this is possible is beyond me..

Velodynamic - Sun Jan 11, 2015 2:17 pm

There must have been some very bad studio equipments in use here.
If this would be what the master tape really sounded like the older remasters must have sounded way way better then the master tape. It's funny we've had a lot of complains about the sound from the older remasters but now after these 2015 remasters all of a sudden the older ones seems like "top notch" in comparison. If someone doesn't have any physical ex. of these albums and wants to buy the CD's I would suggest them to look on Ebay or the second hand market for the old remasters. If you want to support Jean Michel Jarre this is not the right way to do it. You're handing over your hard earned money to Sony and David for destroying old musical masterpieces!
This is like ordering a dish with too much sugar or salt on it. "The customer is always right" is a no-no in today's music industry.

Finaero - Sun Jan 11, 2015 2:33 pm

Yeah, despite their oddities I never really minded the 1997 remasters (and in the case of Rendez-Vous 2 from 1997 Cities in Concert, it's still the most epic sounding version of that track ever), but now they really seem like true works of art compared to this.

Of course, if the 1997 remastering process is to blame for some of the 2014-2015 ones' oddities (considering the glitches in Ethnicolor I and Chronologie 4 being the same), well, damn them!

The whole 2014-2015 remastering just reeks of amateurisum, from the shoddily edited front cover art of Equinoxe to the pitching gobcrap on Rendez-Vous 2. It's likely that since JMJ is essentially a "nobody" to them, they're just not going to put any effort in the process. Kind of paradoxical if they expect to get any money out of them, but eh.

As a side note, I think it'd be interesting to catalogue down what the truly best versions of JMJ albums really are (expecting MFSL LP versions of Oxygene and Equinoxe to be on the lead, I wasn't impressed by the CD ones).

Velodynamic - Sun Jan 11, 2015 3:04 pm

Finaero wrote:

As a side note, I think it'd be interesting to catalogue down what the truly best versions of JMJ albums really are (expecting MFSL LP versions of Oxygene and Equinoxe to be on the lead, I wasn't impressed by the CD ones).

Personal favourite is the 10th anniversary 8-compact disc set from 1987 I believe. The best bargain I ever dug out from Ebay. It's a hands down killer. Those Polydore discs sounds absolutely amazing imo. Should've been fun to see some digital level cuves from them. ;)

Jon - Sun Jan 11, 2015 5:56 pm

I've said it before and I'll say it again, what is the point in supporting the artists when rubbish like this is released. The buying of such material, in such sub-par quality, only proves there is a demand for such sub-par quality released material. It does the fans no good, it does the artist no good. But it benefits the record label. Who are we supporting here, the artist or the record label!? My comments here are not and I repeat NOT a post on telling the fans what to spend their money on, but if we are to spend money on such terrible produced and released material we are partially to blame when low standard releases are released because we funded it in the first place. These releases are a prime example that all because his masters name is on the cover does not mean what we hear is of the masters quality. And I bet it doesn't stop with JMJ. Reading reviews, listening to excerpts and such has prompted me NOT to go ahead and spend my money of these new releases. They sound terrible. I'm not buying a sleeve, I'm buying the music and when classic music like this is distorted to such a level its just a waste of money. I will keep with my originals which cost me considerably less and will continue to give me much more listening pleasure.
Finaero - Sun Jan 11, 2015 8:45 pm

I should stop trying to listen to these new remasters, now I keep hearing the pitch change in the original version of RV2 as well >.<

Only now did I notice the misspelling of Calypso as "Capypso" on Spotify. This is just getting beyond absurd. I think I'll stop repeating myself over these issues and just forget about these.

Heck, I even gave Sobtanian's YT link to my father who agreed that the new remaster sounded atrocious and then mused on how it makes sense how vinyl records are still being made. I don't know if I should mention to him that the vinyl version of Essentials and Rarities was screwed up as well :P (So much for being able to count on the vinyl versions sounding more properly mastered...)

@Velodynamic: Thanks for the tip! Hopefully I can find one for a nice price at some point, people honestly think that someone's gonna pay 99-400 € for them on eBay at the moment. :P

Robi - Mon Jan 12, 2015 8:01 am

Róbert János Gyurján

http://www.zoolook.nl/for...p=191316#191316


David Perreau


Yes yes... On the other hand jean Michel received many and many thanks and messages about the new remastering because the older were sounding to small and so... Very difficult to satisfy everybody and espaclly fans:-) now about "David destroy..." Again we work together and the final validation is Jean Michel and I was totally agree with him with the final remastering sessions with the material we had;-) way to listen music changed, the era has changed, loudness changed...that is impossible to mix and mastered like 30 years ago... The same for the next release...


Róbert János Gyurján


Hello!

It is interesting what you say, where did JmJ get many thanks from? From Sony? From management? Because not from the majority of fans, I'm sure about this. I accept it's much more difficult to remaster from old tapes. Same happened with Depeche Mode recently, anyway.

So as you say, it is more difficult to master from old tapes. This is why I hope that new album material will be easier to work with! Fresh materil to master...



Róbert János Gyurján


Mike Oldfield' remasters in 2010 not only produced perfectly, but Mike himself took the effort to provide each studio albums with bonus tracks. Perfect, clear music with no reverbs, errors or powerless music.

Tape research , artist liaison & technical co-ordination by ..... (with thanks to Mike Oldfield)

Stereo remixes of Ommadawn engineered and produced by Mike Oldfield.

Ommadawn released in 1975.

And you can hear, Mike and his team released listener-friendly and for-the-fans remasters.

So I can hardly believe it's all up to old tapes.

Domestos - Mon Jan 12, 2015 1:56 pm

Sobtanian wrote:
I put together a quick video comparing the first minute of Rendezvous 2, from original CD and 2015 remaster.

In case you need to show someone and cry, here it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KT2v5EXDX34


Wow, that is piss-poor. Jesus Christ.

Glad I've only had to pay for a Spotify subscription to listen to this filth :shock:

Big time - Mon Jan 12, 2015 3:08 pm

Robi, try ask him about this one :P

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KT2v5EXDX34

Velodynamic - Mon Jan 12, 2015 11:18 pm

It was funny David did mentioned older remasters sounded "too small".

Click on the "i"-button at the album audio resolution.
http://ponomusic.force.co...f303a3d1371b75f

Ofcourse this has not much to do with the CD-remastering itself, old or new, but I just thought that it was a nice picture of how compressed
the average music listener's sound actually is compared with full 24bit 192kHz studio sound quality (MasterTape). Remarkable. 8)


Dr_Jones - Tue Jan 13, 2015 10:13 am

Big time wrote:
Robi, try ask him about this one :P

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KT2v5EXDX34


While you're at it, ask him about
https://www.youtube.com/w...9XWrOj0#t=3m40s
vs.
http://drjones.home.xs4all.nl/tmp/chrono8.mp3

Domestos - Tue Jan 13, 2015 10:27 am

Disgusting really. How do you mess something up like this? :angry:

On a related note and something subjective in itself - what's the 'best' versions of these albums and where do I get them?

shadow - Tue Jan 13, 2015 8:57 pm

These remasters... They... How... What!? :|
Jon - Fri Jan 16, 2015 1:50 pm

The only thing I have purchased from these latest releases is just one track, Eq5 from the Lyon concert because that version has previously not been released.
Kanta - Sat Jan 17, 2015 8:36 pm

Video - Remastered Albums 2015 New Booklet Designs
Music from Waiting For Cousteau - Remastered Album 2015
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NT9jg7QI_VA

kaiserkarl - Sun Jan 18, 2015 10:50 am

A nice video but why do you plaster your name over material that is not your copyright ?
jeanbatman - Sun Jan 18, 2015 11:17 am

Great video Kanta !
Kanta - Sun Jan 18, 2015 1:35 pm

kaiserkarl wrote:
A nice video but why do you plaster your name over material that is not your copyright ?

Thank you. To stop bullies from taking my photos of which I took of the remastered albums and the video I made. Mainly one bully. Normally, I would never do this and it might sound petty to you but I do not want to share so certain person/s can also abuse what I have shared. This video was made for devoted kind fans so that they can see for themselves the booklets and get an idea of what the music is like. I credit Jean Michel Jarre in my description for all.

jeanbatman wrote:
Great video Kanta !

Thank you, JB.

Kanta - Tue Jan 20, 2015 2:08 pm



“Jean-Michel Jarre - Zoolook / 30th Anniversary Edition #Reissue 2015”

Source: https://twitter.com/SimonKolitsch/status/555832652570566656/photo/1

chronos - Wed Jan 21, 2015 1:48 pm

Jon wrote:
The only thing I have purchased from these latest releases is just one track, Eq5 from the Lyon concert because that version has previously not been released.


Yes it has Jon, back in 1993 Jean Michel released the first round of remastered CDs. The where released in France, each disk had a gorgeous image of the Dreyfus logo on, the covers had a gold border surrounding the album artwork.

Anyway, the release of "En Concert Houston Lyon" had the Lyon Equinoxe 5 version on it.

Ive long lost my copy of that CD was chuffed to bits that Lyon's Equinoxe 5 has resurfaced again.

Finaero - Wed Jan 21, 2015 6:14 pm

If I remember correctly, the 1991 "gold border" remasters weren't really liked around the Jarre communities I frequented (this one, Jarre.net and JarreUK). A pattern in his remasters, perhaps? ;P
Dr_Jones - Wed Jan 21, 2015 9:30 pm

Finaero wrote:
If I remember correctly, the 1991 "gold border" remasters weren't really liked around the Jarre communities I frequented (this one, Jarre.net and JarreUK). A pattern in his remasters, perhaps? ;P


I haven't heard much of them, but seeing they're released just before the whole loudness-war crazyness, I'm guessing they should be quite good. The problem is the cheap-looking and quite ugly artwork.

chronos - Thu Jan 22, 2015 1:31 pm






Whats not to like about these?

Finaero - Thu Jan 22, 2015 4:14 pm

Okay, I did a quick check and apparently the only one who didn't like the gold border versions was GeeJee himself. Could have sworn there was someone else... (here's another thread on the subject).
Robi - Thu Jan 22, 2015 8:46 pm

What does anyone of you know about Zoolook?

That is the only album I ordered, in phisycal format.

Robi - Thu Jan 22, 2015 9:27 pm

Hi Robert. The issue had been detected and Aero is trying to find another tape to do the remaster. I can't tell you more because as I explained you before it had been difficult to work with the previous tape... So thanks for the information. Jean Michel and I are waiting to check other tapes to redo the full album to fix the issue.

This is in my messenger...

Jon - Fri Jan 23, 2015 12:15 pm

Robi wrote:
David Perreau about Rendez-vous!


Hi Robert. The issue had been detected and Aero is trying to find another tape to do the remaster. I can't tell you more because as I explained you before it had been difficult to work with the previous tape... So thanks for the information. Jean Michel and I are waiting to check other tapes to redo the full album to fix the issue.


So they new about the tape, it's deterioration yet they STILL released it. Talk about making mugs out of the fans. Sorry, but that is not on as that's taking advantage of people.

Velodynamic - Fri Jan 23, 2015 6:07 pm

Robi wrote:
David Perreau about Rendez-vous!


Hi Robert. The issue had been detected and Aero is trying to find another tape to do the remaster. I can't tell you more because as I explained you before it had been difficult to work with the previous tape... So thanks for the information. Jean Michel and I are waiting to check other tapes to redo the full album to fix the issue.

They just can't stop beating the old horse can they? What is so terribly wrong with the old masters/remasters whatever..? Compressed distortions ftw! and a waste of valuable time imo. It's the year 2015 and they tossing out cheap CD soap to fans with the same old music though with the sound in worse shape than ever before. I can't get my head around this. :roll:

shadow - Fri Jan 23, 2015 8:22 pm

So they possibly have a messed up tape and they just go with it? What the?

Just delay this one than! :|

Finaero - Fri Jan 23, 2015 9:00 pm

I'm confident that organizing an infiltration mission to the Europe 2 archives to retrieve the original full unedited recordings of Paris La Defense would be far more worthwhile and less dangerous than getting new proper remasters. :P
Herr Dunkel - Sat Jan 24, 2015 12:26 am

To get back to the Zoolook remaster, did you notice they even messed up the sticker of the "30th anniversary edition"? It reads "from the original analog tapes". The original CDs indicate DDD... WTF? Unless they transferred the DATs to analog tapes before remastering to add "warmth", of course ;-) But then that wouldn't be the original tapes either. Sad releases, really.
Dr_Jones - Sat Jan 24, 2015 2:15 pm

Herr Dunkel wrote:
To get back to the Zoolook remaster, did you notice they even messed up the sticker of the "30th anniversary edition"? It reads "from the original analog tapes". The original CDs indicate DDD... WTF?


Heh, good point.

Jon - Mon Jan 26, 2015 10:59 am

They have pulled RV from iTunes. I noticed that it had gone on the 24th. I also read this morning that Spotify have removed it also.
Voyager37 - Mon Jan 26, 2015 11:19 am

Herr Dunkel wrote:
It reads "from the original analog tapes". The original CDs indicate DDD... WTF?

Same thing was on Hull's remaster: from the original alalog recordings.

starmike - Tue Jan 27, 2015 7:41 am

Did they fix the extra beat in the beginning of Rendezvous IV? That's been bugging me for years.

EDIT: It's fixed. Now we wait for a fix for R2.

melo - Tue Jan 27, 2015 2:08 pm

Amazon DE, change the date of the "Rendez Vous" release.

Second edition ???????

Feb - 27 /2015

http://www.amazon.de/Rend...an+michel+jarre

Kanta - Tue Jan 27, 2015 4:13 pm

The first Rendez-Vous remastered album 2015 will be a collectors item, now.
ZZERO - Tue Jan 27, 2015 9:19 pm

Yeah, this issue will be funny till JARRE releases his new album...

Something about "Zoolook" 2015 remaster. If you check "Ethnicolor" just in the transition between the 2 different parts of the track you will notice that it's a few seconds longer than the 1984's original one, but exact to the 1997's SCOTT HULL remaster. Hear it:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/27372154/ethnicolor_1984_Vs_2015.mp3

So, what about "new mastering from the analog tapes"? It's clear that JARRE and PERREAU have used the 1997's remaster, not the 1984 or 1985 master.

And, YES: The "Rendez-Vous" remaster CD is being deleted from stores.

Dr_Jones - Tue Jan 27, 2015 11:56 pm

ZZERO wrote:
Yeah, this issue will be funny till JARRE releases his new album...

Something about "Zoolook" 2015 remaster. If you check "Ethnicolor" just in the transition between the 2 different parts of the track you will notice that it's a few seconds longer than the 1984's original one, but exact to the 1997's SCOTT HULL remaster. Hear it:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/27372154/ethnicolor_1984_Vs_2015.mp3

So, what about "new mastering from the analog tapes"? It's clear that JARRE and PERREAU have used the 1997's remaster, not the 1984 or 1985 master.


Yes, I've addressed that problem a few pages ago.

Robi - Wed Jan 28, 2015 7:50 am


shadow - Wed Jan 28, 2015 9:02 pm

I find it weird that so many slip ups managed to slip through the cracks with these releases. Even outside the awful remastering, so many weird errors that I don't really understand. Especially the Rendez-Vous remaster, and no doubt I'm going to be buying this for the screw up. Surely some store here in The Netherlands sell it...
Icarus - Sat Jan 31, 2015 3:00 pm

I am currently listening to Chronology and I also have the 1997 version.

Well, I discovered a glitch in Chronology 4. It is not so audible than the one in Rendez-vous but I noticed it immediatly (Chronologie is my prefered album).

Feel free to compare by yourself. On the 2015 version it seems a cut was not done properly.

So again they (David Perreau, JMJ, Sony music mastering engineers) did not listen carefully the final version.

My final word for JMJ or his staff: Jean Michel you are loosing what's left of your fans !

Robi - Sat Jan 31, 2015 5:24 pm

You know, cisac, neverending new album, aerotoys, keeping the perfectionism status...

OK, he didn't get time supervising the remasters, so what? :roll:

DarkVoyage - Mon Feb 02, 2015 12:42 am

Listened to Revolutions. Besides some background artifacts in some places this one sounds fine to me. But this one was always fine.

If they're going to fix mistakes, maybe it will be nice to collect the list of all known problems and send it to them.

Dr_Jones - Mon Feb 02, 2015 4:26 pm

Revolutions, Revolution sounds like it's recorded in a tunnel, though.
Christophe - Mon Feb 02, 2015 4:34 pm

Dr_Jones wrote:
Revolutions, Revolution sounds like it's recorded in a tunnel, though.

May be was it recorded in a tunnel? :nod:

Greetings,


Christophe

Dr_Jones - Tue Feb 03, 2015 4:58 pm

Christophe wrote:
Dr_Jones wrote:
Revolutions, Revolution sounds like it's recorded in a tunnel, though.

May be was it recorded in a tunnel? :nod:


not on the not-remaster though... hmmm... What kind of Schrodinger studio is that?

Black Bird - Tue Feb 03, 2015 8:27 pm

Dr_Jones wrote:
Christophe wrote:
Dr_Jones wrote:
Revolutions, Revolution sounds like it's recorded in a tunnel, though.

May be was it recorded in a tunnel? :nod:


not on the not-remaster though... hmmm... What kind of Schrodinger studio is that?


I don´t bought this remixes, but maybe there was meant "Katze Schrödinger Studio". They make sound-designs and special mixes. :)

Velodynamic - Mon Feb 09, 2015 7:52 pm


shadow - Mon Feb 09, 2015 7:59 pm

The fact that you can see that the audio is way too loud and Jarre sitting there praising his remastering is still one of the most ridiculous things I've seen in a long time. It's absolutely ridiculous...
Dr_Jones - Mon Feb 09, 2015 8:42 pm

shadow wrote:
The fact that you can see that the audio is way too loud and Jarre sitting there praising his remastering is still one of the most ridiculous things I've seen in a long time. It's absolutely ridiculous...


It's like watching a train in the process of derailing and you can't do anyting.

Robi - Mon Feb 09, 2015 8:59 pm

You are talking about the master !!! :smoke:
Finaero - Mon Feb 09, 2015 9:10 pm

They both look so happy.
Kanta - Mon Feb 09, 2015 10:08 pm

shadow wrote:
The fact that you can see that the audio is way too loud and Jarre sitting there praising his remastering is still one of the most ridiculous things I've seen in a long time. It's absolutely ridiculous...

More applies to hear than seen, imho.

shadow - Mon Feb 09, 2015 10:54 pm

True and I agree with that depending on the genre. And Jarre's music doesn't fit in those types of genre's.

In the other topic (Best editions) I recognised six (postedy persona fourl favorite's though) by ear and ear only. And the easiest ones were the remastered ones soly by how overstated the bass was in the '97 remastering and the amount of clipping on the 2013/14 remastering.
I respect the man for everything he has done and will respect that for the rest of my life. And I love his music to no end. It's done a lot for me in the past few years to get me through one hell of a rough time, and I think the music deserves much more than it had gotten in the, almost, last two decades.

The fact that I criticize these remasters is not out of any negative reason. The reason I do so is because out of the deepest respect for the source material. And I just find it an absolute waste that the guy who was so forth going in technological advances and jumped onto ever possibility too try to create never before heard sounds whever something new was created, is taking such huge steps back when his work can sound better than it ever did with all the technological advances all the hardware had made.

Dr_Jones - Tue Feb 10, 2015 11:15 am

shadow wrote:
True and I agree with that depending on the genre. And Jarre's music doesn't fit in those types of genre's.

In the other topic (Best editions) I recognised six (postedy persona fourl favorite's though) by ear and ear only. And the easiest ones were the remastered ones soly by how overstated the bass was in the '97 remastering and the amount of clipping on the 2013/14 remastering.
I respect the man for everything he has done and will respect that for the rest of my life. And I love his music to no end. It's done a lot for me in the past few years to get me through one hell of a rough time, and I think the music deserves much more than it had gotten in the, almost, last two decades.

The fact that I criticize these remasters is not out of any negative reason. The reason I do so is because out of the deepest respect for the source material. And I just find it an absolute waste that the guy who was so forth going in technological advances and jumped onto ever possibility too try to create never before heard sounds whever something new was created, is taking such huge steps back when his work can sound better than it ever did with all the technological advances all the hardware had made.


Amen, bro, amen.

Robi - Tue Feb 10, 2015 12:04 pm

Perhaps...perhaps he will once change...
Phil - Mon Mar 02, 2015 1:42 pm

2015 - Rendez-Vous "re-re-mastered" is online (Deezer, Qobuz, ...) The sound problem seem to be corrected :wink: :


jeanbatman - Mon Mar 02, 2015 2:21 pm

Phil wrote:
2015 - Rendez-Vous "re-re-mastered" is online (Deezer, Qobuz, ...) The sound problem seem to be corrected :wink: :

Image

What's the big gap in the middle ?

Phil - Mon Mar 02, 2015 2:26 pm

jeanbatman wrote:
Phil wrote:
2015 - Rendez-Vous "re-re-mastered" is online (Deezer, Qobuz, ...) The sound problem seem to be corrected :wink: :

Image

What's the big gap in the middle ?

The initiation of the lazer harp. :mrgreen:

Edit : The sound is still VERY loud, but it has better Dynamic Range (1dB.. that's a positiv sign, no ?? :party: ).

Code:
January 2015...
DR         Peak         RMS     Duration Track
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
DR8        0.00 dB    -9.97 dB      2:56 ?-01 - First Rendez Vous (Remastered)
DR7        0.00 dB    -8.69 dB     11:00 ?-02 - Second Rendez-Vous (Remastered)
DR8        0.00 dB    -9.25 dB      3:32 ?-03 - Third Rendez Vous (Remastered)
DR6        0.00 dB    -7.17 dB      4:02 ?-04 - Fourth Rendez-Vous (Remastered)
DR6        0.00 dB    -8.87 dB      7:47 ?-05 - Fifth Rendez Vous (Remastered)
DR7        0.00 dB    -8.77 dB      6:05 ?-06 - Last Rendez Vous (Remastered)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Number of tracks:  6
Official DR value: DR7


Code:
March 2015...
DR         Peak         RMS     Duration Track
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
DR11      -0.15 dB   -13.32 dB      2:55 ?-01 - Rendez-Vous 1
DR8        0.00 dB   -10.19 dB     10:55 ?-02 - Rendez-Vous 2
DR8        0.00 dB   -10.10 dB      3:34 ?-03 - Rendez-Vous 3
DR7        0.00 dB    -8.32 dB      3:58 ?-04 - Rendez-Vous 4
DR8        0.00 dB   -11.36 dB      7:41 ?-05 - Rendez-Vous 5
DR8       -0.09 dB   -10.75 dB      6:03 ?-06 - Last Rendez-Vous (Ron's Piece)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Number of tracks:  6
Official DR value: DR8

Velodynamic - Mon Mar 02, 2015 7:06 pm

Well congratz! Now he could've been nominated for the Dynamic Range Day award. :mrgreen:

http://dynamicrangeday.co.uk/award/

Finaero - Mon Mar 02, 2015 7:45 pm

Not gonna lie, the remaster not only is significantly better than before, but it might even be the best out of all the 2014-2015 remasters.
Phil - Mon Mar 02, 2015 7:58 pm

I understand that the disc is already number 1 in retirement homes. :mrgreen:


shadow - Tue Mar 03, 2015 11:45 am

This is amazing that this has happend... How did this happen though!?
Dr_Jones - Tue Mar 03, 2015 1:12 pm

shadow wrote:
This is amazing that this has happend... How did this happen though!?


People wrote to Sony regarding this release.

daz - Tue Mar 03, 2015 3:07 pm

Just downloaded Rendezvous 27 February 15 from iTunes. It's good.
Dr_Jones - Tue Mar 03, 2015 4:40 pm

The replacement CDs Amazon sent out apparently are still faulty.
Robi - Tue Mar 03, 2015 5:31 pm

daz wrote:
Just downloaded Rendezvous 27 February 15 from iTunes. It's good.


They could have done nicely in the first round. But, who cared?

Finaero - Tue Mar 03, 2015 8:59 pm

Also, just noticed the annoying sound drops at the end of Calypso 3. Good grief.
shadow - Tue Mar 03, 2015 9:15 pm

Dr_Jones wrote:
shadow wrote:
This is amazing that this has happend... How did this happen though!?


People wrote to Sony regarding this release.


Well that I get, but I was more thinking in the line of how the messed up remaster was released in the first place :nod:

Robi - Tue Mar 03, 2015 9:15 pm

Finaero wrote:
Also, just noticed the annoying sound drops at the end of Calypso 3. Good grief.


Wrong point of view.

those are good sound drops because those can be found on Master's album. Period.

:punch:

starmike - Wed Mar 04, 2015 7:50 pm

iTunes in the U.S. still hasn't gotten this. Qobuz used to allow me to buy albums from there but now I'm region blocked. I'm not going to buy it from Amazon if they're still sending out faulty copies. *sigh*.

How can I get this in the U.S.?

Icarus - Wed Mar 04, 2015 7:50 pm

I wonder if they also re-re-remaster Chronology 4
The Sound-Oven - Wed Mar 04, 2015 10:30 pm

I think that German Amazon.de sells the rectified 2015 Rendezvous re-remaster

Can anyone else confirm?

Dr_Jones - Thu Mar 05, 2015 9:44 am

The Sound-Oven wrote:
I think that German Amazon.de sells the rectified 2015 Rendezvous re-remaster

Can anyone else confirm?


Friend of mine got the defective RV remaster this week.

shadow - Fri Mar 06, 2015 1:21 am

Anyone have any idea where I can still get the original remaster? I really can't pass on such a mistake :nod:
daz - Mon Mar 09, 2015 10:50 am

Apologies boys and girls. Got to share this. I don't understand French but I think I get the message:

http://youtu.be/7bern0mUY6E

Although having watched it to the end I think RV6 is disrespectful

jeanbatman - Mon Mar 09, 2015 3:13 pm

daz wrote:
Apologies boys and girls. Got to share this. I don't understand French but I think I get the message:

http://youtu.be/7bern0mUY6E

Although having watched it to the end I think RV6 is disrespectful

Why should we share direspectful things?
Isn't the world ugly enough? :|

Finaero - Mon Mar 09, 2015 3:52 pm

I bet Jarre's response would be along the lines of Pierre Trudeau's famous response to Richard Nixon calling him an asshole: "I've been called worse things by better people."

For a real and proper parody (even though more on the oh-snappy jabs side), there's the classic Clive Anderson review of JMJ, which sadly isn't available on YouTube anymore.

[EDIT 6:39 PM] And as for Vangelis, it's quite shallow, but still funnier than this gobsmack ;) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-K2IQmd50iM

shadow - Mon Mar 09, 2015 4:12 pm

I have too admit, that video made me laugh way more than it should have...
Robi - Mon Mar 09, 2015 6:49 pm

RV 6 a bit disrespectful, no doubt....

But, mainly RV 1 and RV 2..... yes, those made me laugh.


It is not about the world being ugly enough or not.
Remasters quality : lowest classified. Period.

Robi - Tue Mar 10, 2015 10:26 am

https://www.change.org/p/...-cd-defectuosos
Icarus - Tue Mar 10, 2015 8:55 pm

^ Signed


I hope for a Chronology re-release.

ZZERO - Thu Mar 12, 2015 12:28 am

Thank you for your signs at Change.org petition. Note the mean intention for this petition isn't the refund of the money but the OFFICIAL INFORMATION about what happened to include those horrible sound problems and HOW can we access to a correct CD copy of "Rendez-Vous" and "Chronology".

I mean that if JARRE is a pionner of the high quality sound, if he spent so many time in Jarre Technologies' stuff he must take special care in his releases.

jeanbatman - Thu Mar 12, 2015 10:01 am

ZZERO wrote:
(…)the mean intention(…)

No one can say it better. :pwned:

Finaero - Thu Mar 12, 2015 10:16 pm

The corrected version (as available on Spotify) of Rendez-Vous actually is pretty good - as in, best of the 2014-15 remasters and not even that ear-grating one at that. For example, if you listen to the RV remaster first and then switch to another one of the new remasters, well, the differences are actually quite notable. To me, at least.

(Still wouldn't recommend any of the remasters if you already have a previous - more or less ANY previous - edition of the albums)

Chronologie is definitely the worst of the remasters and it'd be nice if it was corrected, but...

shadow - Fri Mar 13, 2015 7:40 pm

ZZERO wrote:
I mean that if JARRE is a pionner of the high quality sound, if he spent so many time in Jarre Technologies' stuff he must take special care in his releases.


These systems sound good, but they're nowhere near pioneer in any wya shape or form.

shadow - Mon Mar 16, 2015 9:03 pm

Bought myself the original release of Rendez-Vous on CD. It sounds so good! :nod:

Edit: Also got myself the recalled remaster of Rendez-Vous. Half way through Fourth Rendez-Vous and wow. This remaster is absolutely glorious for all the wrong reasons. Not even counting the lack of speed correction on the second track this sounds absolutely terrible... And I'm not even using my headphones yet...

starmike - Wed Apr 08, 2015 8:47 pm

shadow wrote:
Bought myself the original release of Rendez-Vous on CD. It sounds so good! :nod:


The problem with the original release of Rendez-Vous on CD is that IV has a mistake on it. There's an extra beat in the intro. The cassette and vinyl versions from 1986 are correct. This drove me nuts for years so I eventually removed it using Audacity. The new remastered version is corrected.

shadow - Fri Apr 10, 2015 8:31 pm

I can manage with one small extra beat, plus removing it yourself is easy like you did ;)
Dr_Jones - Sat Apr 11, 2015 10:45 am

starmike wrote:
shadow wrote:
Bought myself the original release of Rendez-Vous on CD. It sounds so good! :nod:


The problem with the original release of Rendez-Vous on CD is that IV has a mistake on it. There's an extra beat in the intro. The cassette and vinyl versions from 1986 are correct. This drove me nuts for years so I eventually removed it using Audacity. The new remastered version is corrected.


? I don't hear it. I have the French 1986 CD as a reference, listening to it right now. Can you tell me when it happens in the song?

Finaero - Sat Apr 11, 2015 1:28 pm

Are you referring to the flangered Minipops Quiro(sp?) sound opening the track (like in the 1997 Sony version or the 2015 Sony version)?

I always thought that was nicer than the simple fade-in (like in the 2014 Truly Horrible version).

And, for that matter, not shoddily edited "fake extension" like in the post-1997 Ethnicolor (man, I still can't believe I never noticed that before this year!).

Icarus - Sat Sep 05, 2015 4:55 pm

I don't know if it has already been said but Qobuz released the remasters and the Recollection, they are available in lossless 24 bit for 15.39 €.
It's not really cheap but with the coupon "8161BF81" you can have 10% off.

I also discovered the single "If" with the music by JMJ. I only listend to the extract but it's nice.


Stubie - Wed Sep 16, 2015 11:49 pm

Icarus wrote:
I don't know if it has already been said but Qobuz released the remasters and the Recollection, they are available in lossless 24 bit for 15.39 €.


I'd be really interested to find out what their mastering is like - whether they're like the recent CD releases, or whether they're like Recollection. Recollection doesn't have the 'stuck in a box' sounding 1kHz boost, or the fake extra stereo separation.

Unfortunately, I can't find out myself. Between Qobuz, Pono, HD Tracks, Acoustic Sounds and Technics (7digital), these newly available lossless 48/24 versions are not available in Canada. I'm someone willing to throw money at them, and they won't take it. I really hate the music industry sometimes!

worcell - Tue Dec 27, 2016 11:57 pm

just a simple question, cause my head aches about reading all this... the 2014/15 remasters are the only one commonly availible in stores. Are they so bad, that somone who is new into JMJ should not buy them? Can a "normal" person not have a pleasure from listening to them? (im not an "audiophile" at all, not have a super hig end audio set)
shadow - Wed Dec 28, 2016 12:10 am

Can you enjoy it? Probably. Do I recommend it? No not at all, they're terrible and anyone who'll listen to it through a headphone will notice it.
worcell - Wed Dec 28, 2016 12:31 am

Well... all I listened to sounded well for me. I have doubts with Equinoxe, cause i noticed that later parts of pt 8 have worse sound quality than rest of the record but from what i read it is sadly the master tapes issue?
shadow - Wed Dec 28, 2016 12:57 am

I doubt the master reel is in a bad shape after the success of Oxygene, but probably just a bad copy along with a bad remaster. Every remaster since 2011 has been absolutely terrible and has many, many, many flaws. Hell they used a deteriorating copy tape of Rendez-Vous that had constant audio fluctuations in the first two tracks and it was an amazing incompetent move.
worcell - Wed Dec 28, 2016 1:11 am

shadow wrote:
I doubt the master reel is in a bad shape after the success of Oxygene, but probably just a bad copy along with a bad remaster. Every remaster since 2011 has been absolutely terrible and has many, many, many flaws. Hell they used a deteriorating copy tape of Rendez-Vous that had constant audio fluctuations in the first two tracks and it was an amazing incompetent move.


Not sure about others, but equinoxe is the only one i have also from 1997 edition RM and final part of part 8 sounds also weird there.

worcell - Thu Dec 29, 2016 1:29 am

One more question about those remasters. As far as i know Rendez Vous was re relased due to some faults. Were there any other faulty moments in this series (i read about chronologie and minor ones in oxygene, but im not sure)
Dr_Jones - Thu Dec 29, 2016 6:36 pm

worcell wrote:
One more question about those remasters. As far as i know Rendez Vous was re relased due to some faults. Were there any other faulty moments in this series (i read about chronologie and minor ones in oxygene, but im not sure)


Zoolook: same errors as the 1997 remaster. Left & right are swapped, crossfade between both parts of Ethnicolor 1 is nonexistant.

SebAudio - Thu Dec 29, 2016 7:25 pm

Why do they change things when they do remasters ?
Dr_Jones - Thu Dec 29, 2016 7:57 pm

SebAudio wrote:
Why do they change things when they do remasters ?


Because they're careless.

Jote - Thu Dec 29, 2016 8:28 pm

Dr_Jones wrote:
Zoolook: same errors as the 1997 remaster. Left & right are swapped, crossfade between both parts of Ethnicolor 1 is nonexistant.


Where is this crossfade that you speak of?

(Also, how to tell whether my digital copies have the correct channels?)

Dr_Jones - Thu Dec 29, 2016 11:20 pm

Jote wrote:
Dr_Jones wrote:
Zoolook: same errors as the 1997 remaster. Left & right are swapped, crossfade between both parts of Ethnicolor 1 is nonexistant.


Where is this crossfade that you speak of?


1st (slow) part and 2nd (fast) part don't flow into eachother (just like Chrono 1.1 and Chrono 1.2)

shadow - Fri Dec 30, 2016 12:31 am

SebAudio wrote:
Why do they change things when they do remasters ?


Because they seemingly give no single crap about the quality of the remasters.

Jote - Fri Dec 30, 2016 8:41 am

Dr_Jones wrote:
Jote wrote:
Dr_Jones wrote:
Zoolook: same errors as the 1997 remaster. Left & right are swapped, crossfade between both parts of Ethnicolor 1 is nonexistant.


Where is this crossfade that you speak of?


1st (slow) part and 2nd (fast) part don't flow into eachother (just like Chrono 1.1 and Chrono 1.2)


Interesting, could you post a short snippet of both the "missing crossfade" and "proper crossfade"? As I mostly have digital copies now (and why I completely forgot that Oxygene 10 had different intro on vinyl/tape) I wonder whether I've been listening to a proper one all those years. One of them says it's 1997 but it seems to have the crossfade...

Dr_Jones - Fri Dec 30, 2016 11:33 am

Ethnicolor 1 in 1984: http://drjones.home.xs4al...thnicolor84.mp3

Ethnicolor 1 in 1997 (this is from the 2015 CD): http://drjones.home.xs4al...thnicolor97.mp3

Jote - Fri Dec 30, 2016 2:55 pm

Dr_Jones wrote:
Ethnicolor 1 in 1984: http://drjones.home.xs4al...thnicolor84.mp3

Ethnicolor 1 in 1997 (this is from the 2015 CD): http://drjones.home.xs4al...thnicolor97.mp3


Thanks. But... I don't really see any difference with regards to crossfading. In both instances the slow part fades out and in parallel the fast part fades in. What am I missing? The only difference is the extra bell sound at 0:12 which makes the slow part a couple of seconds longer.

Dr_Jones - Fri Dec 30, 2016 7:10 pm

Jote wrote:
Dr_Jones wrote:
Ethnicolor 1 in 1984: http://drjones.home.xs4al...thnicolor84.mp3

Ethnicolor 1 in 1997 (this is from the 2015 CD): http://drjones.home.xs4al...thnicolor97.mp3


Thanks. But... I don't really see any difference with regards to crossfading. In both instances the slow part fades out and in parallel the fast part fades in. What am I missing? The only difference is the extra bell sound at 0:12 which makes the slow part a couple of seconds longer.


In the pre-1997 releases, the 2nd part starts earlier compared to the 1997+ releases, which results in a longer, but incorrect, version for the latter releases. It's like the engineer forgot to push the play for the 2nd part.

Jote - Fri Dec 30, 2016 7:53 pm

Dr_Jones wrote:
In the pre-1997 releases, the 2nd part starts earlier compared to the 1997+ releases, which results in a longer, but incorrect, version for the latter releases. It's like the engineer forgot to push the play for the 2nd part.


I don't see it like that. In the 1997+ versions there's that extra bell sound (around 0:12 in your snippet). It cannot be heard in the shorter versions. If it was just a matter of starting the fast part earlier in pre-1997 releases you'd be still able to hear this sound during the crossfade. So there's definitely different editing giving us approx 6 seonds extra of the slow part. And more "Ethnicolor" is always good!

I would call it "alternate" rather than "incorrect".

Pat Gleeson - Fri Dec 30, 2016 8:45 pm

Jote wrote:
So there's definitely different editing giving us approx 6 seconds extra of the slow part. And more "Ethnicolor" is always good!

I would call it "alternate" rather than "incorrect".


I've always thought the same - and said so on the long departed Jarre.com forum :D

Jote - Sun Feb 26, 2017 11:15 pm

Dr_Jones wrote:
starmike wrote:
shadow wrote:
Bought myself the original release of Rendez-Vous on CD. It sounds so good! :nod:


The problem with the original release of Rendez-Vous on CD is that IV has a mistake on it. There's an extra beat in the intro. The cassette and vinyl versions from 1986 are correct. This drove me nuts for years so I eventually removed it using Audacity. The new remastered version is corrected.


? I don't hear it. I have the French 1986 CD as a reference, listening to it right now. Can you tell me when it happens in the song?


Old question, but I don't think it was answered. There is an extra bass note, which drives me nuts as well. Here's a screenshot - the proper start of the verse is marked by the green line, the extra beat in translucent red.


Dr_Jones - Tue Feb 28, 2017 5:55 pm

Oh wow, that's an interesting find. Like I said, I've never noticed it myself.
Finaero - Tue Feb 28, 2017 8:09 pm

Okay, so three bass notes between the flangered Minipops sample and the start of the lead instrument means a mistake in the master?

Then it's present in the Japanese 1986 LP as well.



I don't mind it myself, it's actually pretty cool. ;)

Jote - Tue Feb 28, 2017 9:27 pm

Finaero wrote:
Okay, so three bass notes between the flangered Minipops sample and the start of the lead instrument


No, three are ok, four are wrong :) The "flangered Minipops sample" (as you put it) occurs exactly at the half of a 4/4 measure, on the 5th bass note, so there are THREE remaining before the verse starts in the proper version. The "bad" version has an extra one.

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means a mistake in the master?


Yes.

As someone indicated on another thread the very first edition of the LP had RV4 mixed by Kevorkian, while other releases had it mixed by Geiss and Emerlin. My guess is that the second mix had always had this unnoticed mistake and it spread on all later releases until it was corrected for Images and further remasters.

Finaero - Wed Mar 01, 2017 7:11 am

Whoops! Yeah, I meant four bass notes (but instead of listening to the versions I have, I just counted the three ones I saw after the flanger effect ;) ).

So in conclusion, the Japanese LP includes the extra note:



(Images 1997 CD, Rendez-Vous 1997 CD and Rendez-Vous 1986 Japanese LP from top to bottom)

So yeah, while the extra note leans on the mistake side, I still think it's pretty neat, and definitely seems to be concrete evidence of two different mixes. ;)

... and at least it's completely seamless, unlike that 1997 duplicated part in Ethnicolor, which I didn't even really pay attention to until Dr. Jones pointed it out (the closest I ever got to was realizing that the Cities in Concert live version was shorter during that part than in the (1997) album version).

jarreaus - Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:18 pm

Dr_Jones wrote:
Jote wrote:
Dr_Jones wrote:
Ethnicolor 1 in 1984: http://drjones.home.xs4al...thnicolor84.mp3

Ethnicolor 1 in 1997 (this is from the 2015 CD): http://drjones.home.xs4al...thnicolor97.mp3


Thanks. But... I don't really see any difference with regards to crossfading. In both instances the slow part fades out and in parallel the fast part fades in. What am I missing? The only difference is the extra bell sound at 0:12 which makes the slow part a couple of seconds longer.


In the pre-1997 releases, the 2nd part starts earlier compared to the 1997+ releases, which results in a longer, but incorrect, version for the latter releases. It's like the engineer forgot to push the play for the 2nd part.


Out of all the issues with the JMJ remasters etc this is one of the ones which irks me the most. Ethnicolor is my favourite JMJ track and Zoolook I've probably listened to more than any other JMJ album. When I first got the 1997 remaster 20 years ago this was the first thing I noticed. It actually ruins the whole track for me as the original version had a seamless transition from 6'40-7'10. Instead now you can hear the last bowed note of the strings keep re-looping as if its waiting for something to happen. And then the voice loop which fades in late then goes for an extra couple of beats before the brass fanfare comes in missing that well timed grunt in the original. (I actually wondered whether they had accidentally picked up an alternate preliminary master that had been laid aside). Since then for years I had hoped for a remaster of the 1985 reissue of the album which I consider the most perfect version or even the 1984 original without the alterations. Was very disappointed when I heard the 2014 remaster had the same edits.

jarreaus - Fri Sep 21, 2018 3:28 pm

Dr_Jones wrote:
The excessive reverb on the Revolution title track, Rendez-Vous being too fuzzy and the pitich-bending glitch at the start of RV2 (starts after the 0:16 mark), the way they mixed Chrono 1.1 and 1.2 (is there some kind of silence there?), the solo at the end of Chrono 2 which is too quiet, Chrono 3's too fuzzy and the clocks are suddenly very very loud, Chrono 4's glitch at 2:09, Chrono 8 has the Swatch alarm timed totally wrong (WTF is up with that??? weren't they using the right tapes?), Calypso 3's drums are too thin and something they did with the fade-out, like they put a lot of white noise with it.

Yeah, they are top-notch-work. Everyone should be happy with what they did.


Chronologie another favourite of mine. I heard about the glitch in Chr4 when the first batch of Sony remasters came out in 1997. (Fortunately I already had the original Polydor). I presumed that Sony would correct it with subsequent presses of the CD. Did this ever happen?

As for the 2015 remaster – I thought they would take the opportunity to correct it. I checked the latest remastered version of Chr4 on YouTube just now and can hear the missing beat after the kick drum roll. I had a listen to the other oddities you mentioned on the other tracks on the album and they are so bad its almost unbelievable. Seems they've been tinkering with the multitrack. Another ruined classic.


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