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Remastersed Albums 2014 and 2015
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worcell 

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Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2016 1:29 am   

One more question about those remasters. As far as i know Rendez Vous was re relased due to some faults. Were there any other faulty moments in this series (i read about chronologie and minor ones in oxygene, but im not sure)
 
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Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2016 6:36 pm   

worcell wrote:
One more question about those remasters. As far as i know Rendez Vous was re relased due to some faults. Were there any other faulty moments in this series (i read about chronologie and minor ones in oxygene, but im not sure)


Zoolook: same errors as the 1997 remaster. Left & right are swapped, crossfade between both parts of Ethnicolor 1 is nonexistant.
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Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2016 7:25 pm   

Why do they change things when they do remasters ?
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Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2016 7:57 pm   

SebAudio wrote:
Why do they change things when they do remasters ?


Because they're careless.
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Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2016 8:28 pm   

Dr_Jones wrote:
Zoolook: same errors as the 1997 remaster. Left & right are swapped, crossfade between both parts of Ethnicolor 1 is nonexistant.


Where is this crossfade that you speak of?

(Also, how to tell whether my digital copies have the correct channels?)
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Dr_Jones 


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Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2016 11:20 pm   

Jote wrote:
Dr_Jones wrote:
Zoolook: same errors as the 1997 remaster. Left & right are swapped, crossfade between both parts of Ethnicolor 1 is nonexistant.


Where is this crossfade that you speak of?


1st (slow) part and 2nd (fast) part don't flow into eachother (just like Chrono 1.1 and Chrono 1.2)
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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 12:31 am   

SebAudio wrote:
Why do they change things when they do remasters ?


Because they seemingly give no single crap about the quality of the remasters.
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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 8:41 am   

Dr_Jones wrote:
Jote wrote:
Dr_Jones wrote:
Zoolook: same errors as the 1997 remaster. Left & right are swapped, crossfade between both parts of Ethnicolor 1 is nonexistant.


Where is this crossfade that you speak of?


1st (slow) part and 2nd (fast) part don't flow into eachother (just like Chrono 1.1 and Chrono 1.2)


Interesting, could you post a short snippet of both the "missing crossfade" and "proper crossfade"? As I mostly have digital copies now (and why I completely forgot that Oxygene 10 had different intro on vinyl/tape) I wonder whether I've been listening to a proper one all those years. One of them says it's 1997 but it seems to have the crossfade...
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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 11:33 am   

Ethnicolor 1 in 1984: http://drjones.home.xs4al...thnicolor84.mp3

Ethnicolor 1 in 1997 (this is from the 2015 CD): http://drjones.home.xs4al...thnicolor97.mp3
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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 2:55 pm   

Dr_Jones wrote:
Ethnicolor 1 in 1984: http://drjones.home.xs4al...thnicolor84.mp3

Ethnicolor 1 in 1997 (this is from the 2015 CD): http://drjones.home.xs4al...thnicolor97.mp3


Thanks. But... I don't really see any difference with regards to crossfading. In both instances the slow part fades out and in parallel the fast part fades in. What am I missing? The only difference is the extra bell sound at 0:12 which makes the slow part a couple of seconds longer.
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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 7:10 pm   

Jote wrote:
Dr_Jones wrote:
Ethnicolor 1 in 1984: http://drjones.home.xs4al...thnicolor84.mp3

Ethnicolor 1 in 1997 (this is from the 2015 CD): http://drjones.home.xs4al...thnicolor97.mp3


Thanks. But... I don't really see any difference with regards to crossfading. In both instances the slow part fades out and in parallel the fast part fades in. What am I missing? The only difference is the extra bell sound at 0:12 which makes the slow part a couple of seconds longer.


In the pre-1997 releases, the 2nd part starts earlier compared to the 1997+ releases, which results in a longer, but incorrect, version for the latter releases. It's like the engineer forgot to push the play for the 2nd part.
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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 7:53 pm   

Dr_Jones wrote:
In the pre-1997 releases, the 2nd part starts earlier compared to the 1997+ releases, which results in a longer, but incorrect, version for the latter releases. It's like the engineer forgot to push the play for the 2nd part.


I don't see it like that. In the 1997+ versions there's that extra bell sound (around 0:12 in your snippet). It cannot be heard in the shorter versions. If it was just a matter of starting the fast part earlier in pre-1997 releases you'd be still able to hear this sound during the crossfade. So there's definitely different editing giving us approx 6 seonds extra of the slow part. And more "Ethnicolor" is always good!

I would call it "alternate" rather than "incorrect".
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Pat Gleeson 

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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 8:45 pm   

Jote wrote:
So there's definitely different editing giving us approx 6 seconds extra of the slow part. And more "Ethnicolor" is always good!

I would call it "alternate" rather than "incorrect".


I've always thought the same - and said so on the long departed Jarre.com forum :D
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Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2017 11:15 pm   

Dr_Jones wrote:
starmike wrote:
shadow wrote:
Bought myself the original release of Rendez-Vous on CD. It sounds so good! :nod:


The problem with the original release of Rendez-Vous on CD is that IV has a mistake on it. There's an extra beat in the intro. The cassette and vinyl versions from 1986 are correct. This drove me nuts for years so I eventually removed it using Audacity. The new remastered version is corrected.


? I don't hear it. I have the French 1986 CD as a reference, listening to it right now. Can you tell me when it happens in the song?


Old question, but I don't think it was answered. There is an extra bass note, which drives me nuts as well. Here's a screenshot - the proper start of the verse is marked by the green line, the extra beat in translucent red.

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Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 5:55 pm   

Oh wow, that's an interesting find. Like I said, I've never noticed it myself.
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