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feline1973

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[quote="Dr_Jones"]THANK YOU very much for these articles.[/quote]

Well don't thank me, thank Sound on Sound magazine. :D I've been a subscriber for years, it really is a very good source of reliable technical info.
 
Jote


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[quote="HunterTech"][quote="feline1973"]if the mastering engineer isn't a total dick.[/quote]

Which is why vinyl will continue to prevail in sales. Because the mastering engineer continues to remain a dick on digital media.[/quote]

With the ReplayGain gaining (sic) popularity this might change? I hope so...
 
Pat Gleeson

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[quote="feline1973"]

that's a very odd way to think about it :lol:

CD, with its 44.1kHz 16bit PCM audio, *can* come very close perfect fidelity if the mastering engineer isn't a total dick. [/quote]

.. and if the mastering engineer [b]is[/b] a total dick ?
My point precisely.
 
Pat Gleeson

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[quote="feline1973"]
Vinyl can never come close to fidelity in a million years, and inevitably imparts a variety of audio distortions all of which are objectively measurable
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Again, I agree. The problem is that the so called 'loudness war' has meant mastering has become so loud that vinyl - with all the limitations you have outlined quite correctly - have to use quieter masters than the superior digital formats. Once such company - Audio Fidelity - insist on using only the original made-for-vinyl masters for their digital formats - SACD etc. The sound quality and dynamic range are fantastic.
 
Pat Gleeson

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[quote="feline1973"]
Well don't thank me, thank Sound on Sound magazine. :D I've been a subscriber for years, it really is a very good source of reliable technical info.[/quote]

Thanks for finding the links all the same - very interesting articles ... :D
 
feline1973

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[quote="Jote"][quote="HunterTech"][quote="feline1973"]if the mastering engineer isn't a total dick.[/quote]

Which is why vinyl will continue to prevail in sales. Because the mastering engineer continues to remain a dick on digital media.[/quote]

With the ReplayGain gaining (sic) popularity this might change? I hope so...[/quote]

By "ReplayGain" I think you're alluding to things similar to the EBU R-128 "loudness normalisation" standard?
(Again, Sound on Sound did a good article on this - I linked to it about 20 pages back in this thread ;) http://www.soundonsound.com/techniques/end-loudness-war )

Basically, I'm amazed that any professional mastering engineer is still churning out squashed crap like Dadwater, because due to EBU R-128, pretty much *EVERY* broadcast or streaming medium now (radio, television, Spotify, YouTube, Google Play, etc etc - and most hardware MP3 players as well) all use "loudness normalisation" to basically make everything they play the same subjective loudness level. So you CAN'T master a track to make it sound "really loud", as it just gets turned down when played, and so just sounds crap (lacking in dynamics).
 
feline1973

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[quote="Pat Gleeson"]
.. and if the mastering engineer [b]is[/b] a total dick ?
My point precisely.[/quote]

Yeah, and Dadwater does definately seem to be a dick!
The more I listen to Oxygene 3 (ripped from the CD to lossless FLAC, mostly listening on a Sony Walkman with nice MDR-1000 headphones :) ) the most I really do not like the way it's mastered. It's far too squished, it doesn't suit the material at all, which needs to be light and ethereal.
 
feline1973

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[quote="Pat Gleeson"]

Again, I agree. The problem is that the so called 'loudness war' has meant mastering has become so loud that vinyl - with all the limitations you have outlined quite correctly - have to use quieter masters than the superior digital formats. .[/quote]

This isn't always the case though. This month's Sound on Sound has a piece on the latest Metallica album (I think it's still behind the site paywall unless you're a subscriber) -
I've never listened to Metallica in my life, but I gather the previous album was one of the most infamous examples of "brickwall mastering" ever released, and really brought the "loudness wars" to a head.
The producer of their new album says they only supplied a single master, there was no special "vinyl master" created, so he was bemused that people had been saying the vinyl sounded better than the CD on account of the "vinyl master" having been created with more dynamic range.
 
Finaero


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Anyone remember which video this screencap is from?

http://www.zoolook.nl/forum/viewtopic.php?p=191527#191527

In any case, that's from the "JMJ praises Crapwater's work" video I mentioned at some point before. So with Sony as his record company and Perreau employed by them, we're not gonna get rid of him even if JMJ himself [url=http://www.zoolook.nl/forum/viewtopic.php?p=199008&highlight=#199008]said that[/url] he didn't like the masters anyway.

But the eternal question remains, are the radio live recordings of Paris La Defense stored in an (extant) lossless format in the Europe 2 archives (or Mike Mansfeld's bathroom)? :punch:
 
Pat Gleeson

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[quote="feline1973"]
Yeah, and Dadwater does definately seem to be a dick!
The more I listen to Oxygene 3 ... It's far too squished, it doesn't suit the material at all, which needs to be light and ethereal.[/quote]

Which is why I ripped from the vinyl - here's a Oxygene 17 comparison

[URL=https://flickr.com/photos/21840134@N02/sets/72157676461404814]Oxygene 17 [/URL]
 
Finaero


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I really can't shake off the thought that this album is more or less "Sessions 2017". While Oxygene 17 is one of his most brilliant tracks in his repertoire, Oxygene 19 has a hint of Bourges going on and the latter half of Oxygene 20 is elegant and moving in its simplicity... the Electronica albums are far far far better than this one.

Which all makes sense, of course, considering that JMJ didn't really feel like making this album and put it together in a few weeks.

Which only makes O17's greatness a wonderful dash of genius. ;)
 
Pat Gleeson

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Oxygene 3 is a masterpiece in my opinion. JMJ pulled off the very difficult trick of a current album with Oxygene style themes without falling back on old glories. As JMJ said it's Oxygene as written today ...

Oxygene 14, 15, 17 and 20 are as good as anything JMJ has ever written. Remarkable considering the tight schedule and pressure. Then again JMJ said these constraints were an
aid to composition, and were similar to the situation surround the recording of the original in 1976.

If anything 'The Train and the River' is closer to Sessions 2015/16/17 than anything else ...
 
shadow


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The Train and the River being very close to Sessions 2000/Bourges was the first thing I said about it when I heard it. It's a great track. Though I do have to wonder why this album never got the 5.1 surround sound mix. We went from being promised to having all future albums be in 5.1 to the weird 3D mixing of a few tracks on Electronica: The Time Machine and now were back to stereo and nothing else :|
 
Jote


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Well, it was bound to happen. The only album that was actually done in 5.1 was Aero. And even that was mostly reworked old material. And even that sounded pretty forced, in most cases the sounds were traveling around in a seemingly random fashion and the final product ended up sounding very "thin" because if you start distributing instruments across 5 channels whereas they were originally distributed across just 2 you get, um, shall we say gaps.

I'm not counting T&T 5.1 and Oxygene 2007 5.1 because they were (if I'm not mistaken) simple 5.1 up-mixes of the original stereo mix. Something that 5.1 systems can do on the fly.

I believe we are not getting them anymore, because
a) the mixing/mastering process is non-standard and cumbersome
b) the target audience is very limited and you still have to prepare a stereo mix for the majority

I'd much rather prefer to get a digital download of a "vinyl master" instead of a 5.1 mix :)
 
shadow


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Yeah the 5.1 mixes weren't really that amazing, but that's just because they were done very lazily. Honestly after hearing some of Mike Oldfield his remixed albums I can't stand it was just dropped altogether. Ommadawn in 5.1 is insane!
 
Kanta
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Jean-Michel Jarre - Official Facebook - 02/05/2017

Reminisce on the first two Oxygene albums in the trilogy with “Oxygene, Pt. 8”...and then check out the third album, ‘Oxygene 3,’ now available to purchase on iTunes! https://itunes.apple.com/gb/album/oxygene-3/id1163143402?app=itunes&ign-mpt=uo%3D4

Source and video: https://www.facebook.com/jeanmicheljarre/videos/10155225456189096/
 
shadow


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Not the live video? I freaking love that one! :P
 
Finaero


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Come to think of it, the latter part of Oxygene 20 reminds me a lot of the last part of the title track from Pink Floyd's "A Saucerful of Secrets", which sort of can be interpreted as "a requiem for Syd" (AFAIK it wasn't really meant as one). So I guess O20 can work as a "requiem for Oxygene".

Part 17 is still rockin', at any rate. ;)
 
Kanta
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Jean-Michel Jarre revisits Oxygène

Video by q on cbc: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Psna_xNlWrk

Published on 08/07/2017.

Iconic electronic music producer Jean-Michel Jarre sits down with Tom Power to talk about the release of the third installment of Oxygène, his groundbreaking record.
 
Kanta
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RTL.fr - 28/07/2017

Jenifer and Jean-Michel Jarre in "Laissez-vous tenter" of the summer

REPLAY - On the program, Jenifer confides on the actress she admires and Jean-Michel Jarre returns on the creation of his album "Oxygène", released in 1976.

Source and video: http://www.rtl.fr/culture/arts-spectacles/jenifer-et-jean-michel-jarre-dans-laissez-vous-tenter-de-l-ete-7789518378
 
Kanta
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The making of:

Jean-Michel Jarre - Oxygene Trilogy Poster - White Duck Editions

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In 1976, Jean-Michel Jarre made the opening statement in his musical magnum opus with the release of the original Oxygene. 20 years on, he released the second part, Oxygene 7-13. Now, a further 20 years down the line, and a full 40 years since the release of the classic first album, Jarre has, with the release of Oxygene 3, completed the trilogy that will define his life’s work in music.

For the project’s artwork, Jarre revisited the classic skull artwork of the first album, originally created by Michel Granger. Jarre reworked the skull into a 3D model, and then captured it from new angles to give it a fresh sense of purpose. Of the skull, Jarre notes:
“The cover artwork became famous, like an ecological warning signal, dark and surreal, evoking both outer space and that of our vital living space: this image, for me, has become inseparable from the music.”

To coincide with the release of Oxygene 3 and the completion of the trilogy, White Duck was enlisted to produce the worldwide edition of this iconic skull poster.
Screen printed with metallic silver and gold ink, onto 270gsm ebony black stock, and in an edition of 400, the poster has a lustrous, timeless feel.

The poster is available from Jean-Michel Jarre’s own online shop: https://jean-michel-jarre-eu.myshopify.com/products/40th-anniversary-signed-poster

Source: https://whiteduckeditions.net/blogs/wde-blog/jean-michel-jarre-oxygene-trilogy-poster
 
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