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shadow 


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Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:28 pm   

It's actually better than the CD? Hadn't expected that, the CD is really good already!
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Velodynamic 


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Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2017 11:12 pm   

shadow wrote:
It's actually better than the CD? Hadn't expected that, the CD is really good already!


Not quite sure how truthfully it will be taking the analogue signal from the tube amp into the line in phono plug to my PC. But right now it is what it is.
I don't have a usb turntable so can not do it any other way. It sounds damn good that's for sure. :P
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shadow 


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Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2017 11:27 pm   

USB will give worse results most likely due to the build in amplifier. My pickup would crush the sound a lot. Really wasn't anything even halfway decent. I just used the line in port.
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shadow 


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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2017 4:41 pm   

The Delectus box was released today and nowhere available. I have it ordered online, but shipment can take another week disappointingly enough. Anyone happen to have seen it?
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shadow 


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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 5:39 pm   

So this 13 CD remastered extravaganza has arrived today! :nod:

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Elf 

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Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2017 12:57 am   

shadow wrote:
So this 13 CD remastered extravaganza has arrived today! :nod:

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Is it remastered in the usual Vangelis way? Make it sound like the original album is played inside a bathroom, then record that with an open air mike and release it and call it a remaster?
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Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2017 9:50 am   

Elf wrote:
Is it remastered in the usual Vangelis way? Make it sound like the original album is played inside a bathroom, then record that with an open air mike and release it and call it a remaster?


Yeah, a shame about the 2013 (or so) remasters. Then again, I'm still sort of interested in getting the Spiral one (for cheap, though, and its price hasn't really changed in the past few years) due to the extra track (previously only on vinyl).

IIRC the Direct remaster changed some of the track starting points, and now the starting points as used in the previous CD versions have a clicking sound in them. How do you even manage to do that?
 
Velodynamic 


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Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2017 4:06 pm   

Why have I missed the album Voices? :o
Heard it on Youtube and found the CD at the swedish Ginza for like 9 bucks!
Very high DR scores on that one.
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Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2017 1:33 am   

Velodynamic wrote:
Why have I missed the album Voices? :o
Heard it on Youtube and found the CD at the swedish Ginza for like 9 bucks!
Very high DR scores on that one.


Not very fond of that album. The first track is a cheap Conquest of Paradise cash-in, but then it gets better. I don't listen to it that much though.
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shadow 


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Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2017 2:58 pm   

Elf wrote:
Is it remastered in the usual Vangelis way? Make it sound like the original album is played inside a bathroom, then record that with an open air mike and release it and call it a remaster?


I wouldn't consider that the usual way. Direct was pretty much perfect and same goes for Page of Life which were from the same remastered release batch. And let's not forget the Chariots of Fire remaster from 2006 that was also pretty much perfect. But in regards to the boxset:

Perfect: Chariots of Fire, Mask, Invisible Connections, Opera Sauvage, The Friends of Mr. Cairo
Near perfect: Earth (three clicks in one track, these are technically present on the original master but seemed to have already been filtered out), China, Antartica (three audio drops in total), Soil Festivities (just under a minute of rain is edited out), Short Stories, Private Collection (some are perfect, some have some reverb)
Mixed: L'Apocalypse des Animaux, See You Later, (a lot of added reverb for both)

However, these are still artistic changes and if Vangelis enjoys them and thinks that the tracks sound better like this I respect that. The original CD's are still easily available. However they are also still the thirty year old CD masters unlike these that had a brand new transfer from the original magnetic tapes. The new reverb on some tracks are pretty consistent with the actual quality of the songs. However, unfortunately two albums didn't manage to escape it. See You Later sounds really 'meh'. Though Neighbours Above, My Love and Domestic Logic 1 are great to have! Also, the actual remaster in enough itself is actually pretty good.


Finaero wrote:
IIRC the Direct remaster changed some of the track starting points, and now the starting points as used in the previous CD versions have a clicking sound in them. How do you even manage to do that?


Some moments were slightly changed, but no clicks anywhere where the previous original tracks starters were.
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Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2017 4:54 pm   

Dr_Jones wrote:
Velodynamic wrote:
Why have I missed the album Voices? :o
Heard it on Youtube and found the CD at the swedish Ginza for like 9 bucks!
Very high DR scores on that one.


Not very fond of that album. The first track is a cheap Conquest of Paradise cash-in, but then it gets better. I don't listen to it that much though.


Voices was the first album where it was clear that Vangelis had lost the plot. The trend that had started on The City, where he programs a rhythm which goes and goes and then he just solos on top of it, was very clear. I do like the City, though, but from then on his albums were much more static in their arrangements. His direct approach to composing left a lot to be desired, compared to the richness of the 70s and early 80s.

I do like Ask the Mountains, though.
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Elf 

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Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2017 4:56 pm   

shadow wrote:
Elf wrote:
Is it remastered in the usual Vangelis way? Make it sound like the original album is played inside a bathroom, then record that with an open air mike and release it and call it a remaster?


I wouldn't consider that the usual way. Direct was pretty much perfect and same goes for Page of Life which were from the same remastered release batch. And let's not forget the Chariots of Fire remaster from 2006 that was also pretty much perfect. But in regards to the boxset:
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Maybe I was a bit unfair, but the Heaven & Hell vinyl remastering was so bad that I honestly thought something was wrong with my stereo. He ruined my favourite album of his. And the additions he did to Alpha on one of his compilation albums in the 90s.... *shudder*

Not sure I'll cash out for this box. Even if there are extra tracks.
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shadow 


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Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2017 5:31 pm   

I'm personally not a fan of those 2013 RCA remasters myself. The actual sound quality is excellent, but the new stylistic changes with the reverb (and even multiple edits) were rather questionable. I do recommend the Delectus set, but just get it through iTunes for 10. It's surprisingly cheap.
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Elf 

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Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2017 5:38 pm   

shadow wrote:
I'm personally not a fan of those 2013 RCA remasters myself. The actual sound quality is excellent, but the new stylistic changes with the reverb (and even multiple edits) were rather questionable. I do recommend the Delectus set, but just get it through iTunes for 10. It's surprisingly cheap.


Or I can just check it out on Tidal. The whole box set is there, completely streamable
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shadow 


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Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2017 5:44 pm   

Or that. I'm actually curious if some of the dropouts on the CD's are a mastering error or a pressing error. It wouldn't be the first time that something like that happened.
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