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JMJ is engaged in a major lawsuit because of a lie...
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Equinoxe 


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Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 8:35 pm   

I'm beginning to think all this Lawsuit talk is simply a Publicity stunt!!.
 
CLUBMIX 
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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 11:24 am   

...well, even the best stunt people can have accidents. If this really was a publicity stunt, it is **VEEEERRYYYY** dangerous, I tellya
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Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 12:44 pm   

Well if Jarre needs the money he can always go into cooking and sell a couple of cooking manuals. :wink:

Synth Recepies and such. I've no doubt that'd sell better than any album any artist has sold for years.

Just about every aspiring EM bedroom musician and all the way to the top of the pyramid in the EM industry would buy them. He'd be able to pull an Eric Persing, easy! Millions before you can turn around and arrange an extended holiday in Hawaii.
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Andy 


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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 9:08 am   

Robi wrote:
Maybe Michel Geiss fired Francis Dreyfus against JMJ... ?


No, I don't think so... I've spoken to him several weeks ago and he seems to be a very kind and decent person who would never do such a thing... okay, it was a phone call, but however - I don't believe it!
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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 5:19 pm   

It's all about the money :whistle
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Andy 


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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 6:03 pm   

DJoA wrote:
It's all about the money :whistle


Yes, that's absolutely right... in music biz it is always about money - sad, but true!
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Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 11:40 am   

Quote:
EMI faces Oxygene battle
17:48 | Friday March 7, 2008

By Ben Cardew

EMI is facing a legal battle over its recent Jean Michel Jarre covermount promotion with the Mail On Sunday.

The label signed a deal in January to give away a re-recording of Jean Michel Jarre’s classic album Oxygene with the paper to tie-in with Jarre’s 30th anniversary tour of the album.

On the CD it claims to be an “original score re-recorded and mixed by Jean Michel Jarre”, published by Jean Michel Jarre and Francis Dreyfus Music.

By re-recording the album, Jarre would be free to sign a deal with EMI for the new recording.

However, Dreyfus, who claims to own the rights to the original Oxygene, having signed Jarre to his Disques Motors, alleges that the album given away with the Mail On Sunday is merely a re-mastered version of the original Oxygene and is to launch a case alleging infringement of rights by EMI / the Mail On Sunday.

Web Sheriff managing director John Giacobbi, whose company is representing Drefyus in the matter, says that EMI and the Mail On Sunday have been placed on notice pending a further musicologist’s report.

However, he explains that he already has two reports that support his case. “Our client’s position, which has now been reinforced by both the technical report and musicologist report, is that the 2007 version of Oxygene is simply a digital re-mastering of the original 1970s multi-track masters.”

These reports, he explains, indicate that defects on the original album which resulted from the recording process re-appear on the new version of the album.

The suit will seek an injunction similar to that in the recent Experience Hendrix / Sunday Times case. In that, Experience Hendrix won a case against the newspaper after it gave away a free covermount CD of The Jimi Hendrix Experience's performance at the Royal Albert Hall in February 1969.


Eversheds, which represented Experience Hendrix originally tried to injunct the paper to stop the giveaway on the grounds of copyright infringement.

However, the Sunday Times claimed to be covered by a license agreement with Charly Records and went ahead with the promotion. The case eventually came to the High Court, which found in favour of Experience Hendrix / Eversheds, ruling that it owned the rights in this recording.

Experience Hendrix was awarded an injunction, which prevents the Sunday Times from furthering profiting from the recording and costs, with damages to be awarded at a later date.

Giacobbi says that he thinks damages in this case could run into the millions of pounds, given that the Mail On Sunday distributed around 2m copies of the album and EMI has also issued it internationally.

Giacobbi says that he believes EMI and the Mail On Sunday acted in good faith on the promotion. But he adds, “In hindsight it would have been wise for them to check the provenance of these recordings.”

In a statement EMI says, "We are very confident that Jean Michel Jarre's 30th Anniversary recording of Oxygene is an entirely new recording. A leading independent expert has also confirmed this. We will vigorously contest any claims to the contrary."

Mail On Sunday managing director Stephen Miron says, “From our perspective, we purchased the album through EMI, a well-established company.”

“We view this as tenuous and laughable,” he adds. “There are claims often when we do covermounts.”


the battle begins :smoke:

Quote:
“Our client’s position, which has now been reinforced by both the technical report and musicologist report, is that the 2007 version of Oxygene is simply a digital re-mastering of the original 1970s multi-track masters.”


100% true. New Oxygene is just remastered old tapes with added stereo delays etc.

Quote:
"We are very confident that Jean Michel Jarre's 30th Anniversary recording of Oxygene is an entirely new recording. A leading independent expert has also confirmed this. We will vigorously contest any claims to the contrary."


So... EMI want's to lie to everybody or JMJ lied to EMI?
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Robi 

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Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 11:45 am   

Radek,
we will see.

You know, Dreyfus is not 'better' man than JMJ.
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radek tymecki 


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Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 11:55 am   

Because of deleting Youtube movies? ;)

I think that JMJ started chain-reaction system.... I'm really curious about effects
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Robi 

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Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 12:47 pm   

Not because of deleted YouTube videos...

Why don't you quote this one aswell?

"In a statement EMI says, "We are very confident that Jean Michel Jarre's 30th Anniversary recording of Oxygene is an entirely new recording. A leading independent expert has also confirmed this. We will vigorously contest any claims to the contrary."

How can you 100% sure that this only was a remastered work??
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Equinoxe 


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Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 1:14 pm   

Well ok we all know its simply a rerecording,If you listen to the album that intimately for years you can tell because of the way it was recorded in the first instance.....Thats only simple speculation..Those of us who record,will have an incline of why its a remaster rather than a real rerecording because of production techniques and Analog synth flaws of the time


But....Personally I don't see how Dreyfus can prove it and win.

There are Minor differences in tracks,which Jarre obviously did certain edits and played around with the Mixing aspect to make it look rerecorded,its kind of like leaving clues for a crime but sending off the trail slightly,which would make the evidence sort of flawed in prosecution,it may be obvious why its done,but its also not easy to prove he did that deliberatly.

How the fook can dreyfus prove otherwise,other than by speculation like the rest of us!!

Even if he has a team of music specialists,there is editing differences,and Jarre recorded it digitally into Protools,so even if it was ripped from the master Tapes,theres no way to prove where the source came from,either from an actual synthesizer in the case of a rerecording or the master tapes if its not.....

its not like they can rip apart an Analog tape strip to see how many layers have been recorded onto it


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Dreyfus is clearly pissed about the monies for the MOS deal,but in the same respect,it would have been far more diplomatic and respectful for Jarre to approach dreyfus,if he had Publishing issues to say Ok ,I want to do this with Oxygene,can we work together if only for the preservation of the recording,in a 50/50 deal,after all he gave Jarre a real footing,there maybe too many bridges burnt but it looks very unprofessional,and whilst I Couldn't give a Fook about it,Many fans will have lost respect for Jarre,to what may appear as a huge amount of disrespect by trying to deceive people about this new recording.
 
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Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 5:34 pm   

Equinoxe wrote:
Many fans will have lost respect for Jarre,to what may appear as a huge amount of disrespect by trying to deceive people about this new recording.

Yes, you have a good value point. 8) But I like to see it another way, us fans would know the truth anyway. :fine:
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Equinoxe 


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Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 6:17 pm   

Kanta wrote:
Equinoxe wrote:
Many fans will have lost respect for Jarre,to what may appear as a huge amount of disrespect by trying to deceive people about this new recording.

Yes, you have a good value point. 8) But I like to see it another way, us fans would know the truth anyway. :fine:


Absolutely,I couldn't care either way,I've never beleived it was rerecorded anyway,its just not feasible to do it identically 30 years later with some of those instruments unless it was 100% sequenced every part and every note and also the mix was Automated,which he never had that luxury back then,but even if that was totally possible,the sounds would be slightly different

the only thing which has changed is the Mix aspect and the positions of some of the songs and how they interweave with each other,thats the only aspect he could have done 30 years later from a master version unless he rerecorded entirely from scratch in which case it would have been more like the Versions we hear on the live shows.


Most of it was played by hand,and to be able to do that note for note all these years later,would mean he'd have been able to replicate it the same for the Live shows..and there are certain sounds he cannot repicate on stage exactly the same even with 3 other people,yet soem of those sounds are so far removed from the original.


But some fans would not be seeing it from that point of view,or understand that,and the fact that all the media interviews and literature he talks about the rerecording methods,which is kind of like deception(We all know why he does it for dreyfus lawsuit reasons)but some won't understand that and merely think he's told a lie to them personally

I'm sure they'll get over it...Trouble is he can't win...Teo and Tea was a crime to most people,he goes back to what he's good at and now still gets disected,at the end of the day he did what had to do because of publishing issues and he's put his neck and reputation on the line because he wanted to give the fans what they want..sometimes a little of what they want is good thing too much is a bad thing as we can see

I think it was a little self indulgent personally on Jarres behalf,to have also released this newer version,without the full backing of dreyfus or at least if he wanted to do it have released a Studio version of the Live DVD recording or a real rerecording.

he should have stuck to the Live DVD and a tour for the anniversary,not get far too immersed into preserving the Original,most of us have got several copies of Oxygene anyway,another isn't really what we want,He could have preserved it for his own purposes and not release it commercially, I doubt this single CD version will get released now in the UK as it was promised a March release..Dare say EMI have pulled the plug on that now.
 
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Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 7:20 pm   

To me the Live DVD was the main thing, so I never really focused much on this new audio release. I have never been disappointed either. I just saw this new piece of audio as a better mixed version of the original anyway. I haven't really heard people moaning about this new release yet, so I don't think it has been a huge damage to his popularity. The main focus has always been on the DVD, the Marigny concerts and the forthcoming tour. The fans have got more than they have lost, since these latest live shows are so special and unique.
 
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Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 7:27 pm   

I suppose I'm very nitpicky, but the only reason I don't think the new master recording is that great is because of the absolutely amateurish extra noise present in Oxygene 1. I'll certainly take the MFSL master any day :P
 
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