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JMJ is engaged in a major lawsuit because of a lie...


Post Posted Sun Mar 09, 2008 2:14 pm
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Well ok we all know its simply a rerecording,If you listen to the album that intimately for years you can tell because of the way it was recorded in the first instance.....Thats only simple speculation..Those of us who record,will have an incline of why its a remaster rather than a real rerecording because of production techniques and Analog synth flaws of the time


But....Personally I don't see how Dreyfus can prove it and win.

There are Minor differences in tracks,which Jarre obviously did certain edits and played around with the Mixing aspect to make it look rerecorded,its kind of like leaving clues for a crime but sending off the trail slightly,which would make the evidence sort of flawed in prosecution,it may be obvious why its done,but its also not easy to prove he did that deliberatly.

How the fook can dreyfus prove otherwise,other than by speculation like the rest of us!!

Even if he has a team of music specialists,there is editing differences,and Jarre recorded it digitally into Protools,so even if it was ripped from the master Tapes,theres no way to prove where the source came from,either from an actual synthesizer in the case of a rerecording or the master tapes if its not.....

its not like they can rip apart an Analog tape strip to see how many layers have been recorded onto it


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Dreyfus is clearly pissed about the monies for the MOS deal,but in the same respect,it would have been far more diplomatic and respectful for Jarre to approach dreyfus,if he had Publishing issues to say Ok ,I want to do this with Oxygene,can we work together if only for the preservation of the recording,in a 50/50 deal,after all he gave Jarre a real footing,there maybe too many bridges burnt but it looks very unprofessional,and whilst I Couldn't give a Fook about it,Many fans will have lost respect for Jarre,to what may appear as a huge amount of disrespect by trying to deceive people about this new recording.
Post Posted Sun Mar 09, 2008 6:34 pm
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Equinoxe wrote:Many fans will have lost respect for Jarre,to what may appear as a huge amount of disrespect by trying to deceive people about this new recording.
Yes, you have a good value point. 8) But I like to see it another way, us fans would know the truth anyway. :fine:
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Post Posted Sun Mar 09, 2008 7:17 pm
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Kanta wrote:
Equinoxe wrote:Many fans will have lost respect for Jarre,to what may appear as a huge amount of disrespect by trying to deceive people about this new recording.
Yes, you have a good value point. 8) But I like to see it another way, us fans would know the truth anyway. :fine:
Absolutely,I couldn't care either way,I've never beleived it was rerecorded anyway,its just not feasible to do it identically 30 years later with some of those instruments unless it was 100% sequenced every part and every note and also the mix was Automated,which he never had that luxury back then,but even if that was totally possible,the sounds would be slightly different

the only thing which has changed is the Mix aspect and the positions of some of the songs and how they interweave with each other,thats the only aspect he could have done 30 years later from a master version unless he rerecorded entirely from scratch in which case it would have been more like the Versions we hear on the live shows.


Most of it was played by hand,and to be able to do that note for note all these years later,would mean he'd have been able to replicate it the same for the Live shows..and there are certain sounds he cannot repicate on stage exactly the same even with 3 other people,yet soem of those sounds are so far removed from the original.


But some fans would not be seeing it from that point of view,or understand that,and the fact that all the media interviews and literature he talks about the rerecording methods,which is kind of like deception(We all know why he does it for dreyfus lawsuit reasons)but some won't understand that and merely think he's told a lie to them personally

I'm sure they'll get over it...Trouble is he can't win...Teo and Tea was a crime to most people,he goes back to what he's good at and now still gets disected,at the end of the day he did what had to do because of publishing issues and he's put his neck and reputation on the line because he wanted to give the fans what they want..sometimes a little of what they want is good thing too much is a bad thing as we can see

I think it was a little self indulgent personally on Jarres behalf,to have also released this newer version,without the full backing of dreyfus or at least if he wanted to do it have released a Studio version of the Live DVD recording or a real rerecording.

he should have stuck to the Live DVD and a tour for the anniversary,not get far too immersed into preserving the Original,most of us have got several copies of Oxygene anyway,another isn't really what we want,He could have preserved it for his own purposes and not release it commercially, I doubt this single CD version will get released now in the UK as it was promised a March release..Dare say EMI have pulled the plug on that now.
Post Posted Sun Mar 09, 2008 8:20 pm
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To me the Live DVD was the main thing, so I never really focused much on this new audio release. I have never been disappointed either. I just saw this new piece of audio as a better mixed version of the original anyway. I haven't really heard people moaning about this new release yet, so I don't think it has been a huge damage to his popularity. The main focus has always been on the DVD, the Marigny concerts and the forthcoming tour. The fans have got more than they have lost, since these latest live shows are so special and unique.
Post Posted Sun Mar 09, 2008 8:27 pm
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I suppose I'm very nitpicky, but the only reason I don't think the new master recording is that great is because of the absolutely amateurish extra noise present in Oxygene 1. I'll certainly take the MFSL master any day :P
Post Posted Sun Mar 09, 2008 8:33 pm
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Finaero wrote:I suppose I'm very nitpicky, but the only reason I don't think the new master recording is that great is because of the absolutely amateurish extra noise present in Oxygene 1. I'll certainly take the MFSL master any day :P
Well thats a huge give away thats its possibly from the master tapes....That Noise is only present when the Glock sound is present,You can hear it on Part 4 on the intro glock too,so its possibly either from the Instrument used for that sounds output,or was a product of over bouncing audio tracks back at the original Recording sessions,degrading the Audio Quality and introducing more Noise with each bounce
Now we have these Higher types of Audio rate and wider Dynamic range availible on recording equipment today all other versions of the Album prior to it were not so noticable the levels can be pushed more today where he got away with it from Tape saturation and analog recoding formats back then so all the freqs that were present in this recording on previous formats were either Quashed on Analog tape and not easily heard.Now he can push the peak Level of this new recording with a better audio rate,you can hear it more...if it was cleanly rerecorded it wouldn't be there..its simply a poor signal to Noise ratio on that particular track that unless rerecorded Jarre couldn't do anything with it(Except perhaps try and Quash it a little by eqing it out bt that would affect the overall sound of the Glock too)

Only problem,Why the hell didn't Jarre hear it even at low monitoring levels its easily noticiable....Seems to me Like he sat there cued up the Studers set a standard Mixing setup and buggered off for a couple of pints whilst it recorded end to end into Protools

Apart from that Noise,the new master CD has a nice sound to it,I didn't like it at first,but you can certainly hear more detailing on this version.Its has a nice fidelity to it and an overall more fuller sound perhaps because he added more reverbertion on the overall Mix sound,Part 2 sounds better you cna hear more of the flute detailing at the end of the track and Part 6 seems to be more pleasing to listen like this,you can hear every element without straining to hear the RMI parts like in previous versions.
Post Posted Mon Mar 10, 2008 10:17 pm
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I agree 100% with Equinoxe ... It's IMPOSSIBLE to record again everything that will sound EXACTLY same...

anyway many tracks are clearer... even some eminent noises can be clearly heard in oxygene 1 for example... flute solo in oxy 2 is great; at last i can hear missing notes in my replica :D oxy4 rhytm is not so good... not so warm
Post Posted Sat Jun 07, 2008 8:57 am
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So... I was wondering...

Any news on this subject?

Has there been a lawsuit? did they settle out of court?

It's been very quiet lately about this subject IMHO
Post Posted Sat Jun 07, 2008 12:35 pm
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It's normally quiet before the s**t hits the fan, so to speak. :P I hope they have settled out of court but the fans should be told so we can upload our videos on YouTube related to Oxygene. The statement should come from both parties, JMJ and FDM. :fine:
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Post Posted Mon Jun 16, 2008 2:47 pm
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Kanta wrote:It's normally quiet before the s**t hits the fan
well, I am a fan, and I suppose all the others here are as well :nod:
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Post Posted Mon Jun 16, 2008 5:50 pm
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Or they had some schoolboy-style fight in some back alley and either one of them doesn't want to admit :nod:
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Post Posted Tue Jun 17, 2008 9:35 am
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I wanna see that, so much. Wish it was on YouTube. :nod:
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Post Posted Tue Jun 17, 2008 9:40 am
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"Tek diz!" "NOOOO! dont hit me in ze face" :wtf2:
Post Posted Tue Jun 17, 2008 10:09 am
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And the winner is Jaaaaaaaare!!!!!!! :peacemaan:
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Post Posted Tue Jun 17, 2008 10:40 am
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