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The Concerts in China
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Enrique_Grove


Posted:    The Concerts in China [ !!! ]

Hello Friends I need help

This morning I was listening to The Peking (Radio Broadcast) 1981 when Jarre playing beatiful versions of Oxygene I & II, Equinoxe 8, Fishing Junks at Sunset, Magnetic Fields 1, Magnetic Fields 2 with his team Live! and I was wondering if how many recordings exist of this China Concert's? some rare stuff in yours hard Drives something?, maybe upload some beatiful rare song from this shows... my second question ┬┐what is a set list of this concerts?

thank's for your help! :)

Enrique.
 
Jakob BC
English Moderator, Studio/Stage Expert


Posted:     [ !!! ]

According to magneticfields.dk that tracklist you mentioned was the whole tracklist from the first concert, and then it was:

1. Overture
2. Arpegiator
3. Equinoxe 4
4. Fishing Junks at Sunset
5. Band in the Rain
6. Equinoxe 7
7. Orient Express
8. Magnetic Fields 1
9. Magnetic Fields 3
10. Magnetic Fields 4
11. Laser Harp
12. Night in Shanghai
13. The Last Rumba
14. Magnetic Fields 2
15. Souvenir of China

So far I haven't heard about other recordings, so I doubt there is much of it out there.
 
GeeJee
The GUV'NOR


Posted:     [ !!! ]

I wish there was more of it... :(
 
Jakob BC
English Moderator, Studio/Stage Expert


Posted:     [ !!! ]

Yes and especially from that expanded tracklist. I'd like to hear what those track really sounded like before its trip through the studio, but also to hear what differences there might have been when it comes to the many solos.
 
AnDrOiD


Posted:     [ !!! ]

From the radio broadcast we know that it sounded kinda crap before a run through the studio. :punch:
 
Finaero


Posted:     [ !!! ]

[quote="Jakob BC"]According to magneticfields.dk that tracklist you mentioned was the whole tracklist from the first concert, and then it was:

1. Overture
2. Arpegiator
3. Equinoxe 4
4. Fishing Junks at Sunset
5. Band in the Rain
6. Equinoxe 7
7. Orient Express
8. Magnetic Fields 1
9. Magnetic Fields 3
10. Magnetic Fields 4
11. Laser Harp
12. Night in Shanghai
13. The Last Rumba
14. Magnetic Fields 2
15. Souvenir of China

So far I haven't heard about other recordings, so I doubt there is much of it out there.[/quote]

I've always doubted that tracklisting's authenticity because it's identical (IIRC) to the album tracklisting and quite a few Jarre live recordings (of audio or video kind) retain the original tracklisting... ... and if that's not a proper reason, well, Souvenir of China was composed after the tour so it couldn't have been played there :P

Also, I really wonder why people bash the first China concert so much. Sure the instruments sound somewhat weak (except for the drums) but there's actually live playing and the tracks aren't even played badly live at that. But I guess most people are closet elitists after all :p:
 
Pat1982

Posted:     [ !!! ]

The concerts had 2 different setlists for Beijing and Shanghai.
There is no solid source that shows the definitive tracklist, this mini-tour has become a bit 'lost' in time.
There is the official 2-CD/LP, official 1989 VHS, and the Dutch radio broadcast from Bejing's 1st concert.
However there is also an 1982 ATV (ITC) VHS, and a 1981 Japanese tv-broadcast (NHK Young Music Show).
It is possible that the Beijing radio broadcast is incomplete, as there is quite a difference in setlength.
Also, I cannot imagine that Oxygene 4 wasn't played, as it definitely was aired on the Chinese radio (heard on the album as a snippet).
I am of the opinion that Arpegiator and Souvenir Of China are studiotracks from '82, and were not played at the actual concert in '81. Also Orient Express was re-recorded.

Beijng:

Oxygene 1
Oxygene 2
[glow=darkblue][i]<fade out>[/i][/glow]
Band In The Rain
Equinoxe 8
[glow=darkblue][i]<fade out>[/i][/glow]
Fishing Junks at Sunset
Magnetic Fields 1
Magnetic Fields 2


Shanghai:

The Overture
Equinoxe 4
Equinoxe 5
Equinoxe 7
Magnetic Fields 3
Magnetic Fields 4
Laser Harp
Night In Shanghai
The Last Rumba
Orient Express
Magnetic Fields 2
 
Jakob BC
English Moderator, Studio/Stage Expert


Posted:     [ !!! ]

How sure are you about Equinoxe 5? As I remember it was featured on the VHS, but recorded in a studio as some add-on to the video. Argh damn! I wished there were some more clear information about it.
 
Pat1982

Posted:     [ !!! ]

[quote="Jakob BC"]How sure are you about Equinoxe 5? As I remember it was featured on the VHS, but recorded in a studio as some add-on to the video. Argh damn! I wished there were some more clear information about it.[/quote]

On the VHS you can see the silent comedy "Broken China" (1926) with Bobby Vernon being played during Equinoxe 5.
But for at the end you can see Jarre playing his keyboard, it really looks like he is playing the same notes of the main melody.

Are you sure this was recorded afterwards in a studio? what's the source of this?
It has the same visual style like the rest concert or not? :shock:
I think I'll watch it again this weekend! :o
 
Jakob BC
English Moderator, Studio/Stage Expert


Posted:     [ !!! ]

Nah maybe you are right, I remember something different, but after watching it again, it doesn't look different from the other tracks, so I'll just take it back to "I don't know". You also see Perrier play the lead. I thought I had a better point, but after watching it again there is nothing.
 
AERO62

Posted:     [ !!! ]

[quote="Pat1982"]However there is also an 1982 ATV (ITC) VHS, and a 1981 Japanese tv-broadcast (NHK Young Music Show).
[/quote]

Do you have these VHS ?
 
jeanbatman


Posted:     [ !!! ]

[quote="Jakob BC"]According to magneticfields.dk that tracklist you mentioned was the whole tracklist from the first concert, and then it was:
(...)
8. Magnetic Fields 1
(...)
[/quote]

Was there the full version of that song ?
 
Aneka65


Posted:     [ !!! ]

This concert Album by issued FD and Jean, it pleases me from start very also to the end. From stay on concerts to one commemorative Beijing composed selected work JMJ Shanghai. But return to China was from this Album in 1982 year on letters of -lists-hits-success- in Poland final work number repeatable fine not one 1. Repeatable work menancholia, case-together-time to this Album not :sad: 8) .
 
radek tymecki


Posted:     [ !!! ]

[quote="jeanbatman"][quote="Jakob BC"]According to magneticfields.dk that tracklist you mentioned was the whole tracklist from the first concert, and then it was:
(...)
8. Magnetic Fields 1
(...)
[/quote]

Was there the full version of that song ?[/quote]

No. Probably it was mistake
 
Finaero


Posted:     [ !!! ]

Yeah, I'm sure the 6 minutes you can hear on the bootleg was just D. Perrier forgetting his electric razor on.
 
Pat Gleeson

Posted:     [ !!! ]

Does anyone know the tracklist for the Chinese 1 LP pressing of the Concerts in China ?

There was some information regarding this release on fanzines in the early 90's, and more with a photo here :

[URL=http://alnr.chez-alice.fr/toutjarre/biojarreuk.html]http://alnr.chez-alice.fr/toutjarre/biojarreuk.html[/URL] (Scroll down 2/3rd's the page)

While we're all thinking about that, does anyone know someone at China's CCTV who has a TV recording of any of the China Concerts :D

Now there's a DVD extra if I ever saw one :smoke:
 
Jon


Posted:     [ !!! ]

[quote="Pat Gleeson"]Does anyone know the tracklist for the Chinese 1 LP pressing of the Concerts in China ?

There was some information regarding this release on fanzines in the early 90's, and more with a photo here :

[URL=http://alnr.chez-alice.fr/toutjarre/biojarreuk.html]http://alnr.chez-alice.fr/toutjarre/biojarreuk.html[/URL] (Scroll down 2/3rd's the page)

While we're all thinking about that, does anyone know someone at China's CCTV who has a TV recording of any of the China Concerts :D

Now there's a DVD extra if I ever saw one :smoke:[/quote]

This has been brought up a few times in the past. Nothing come up on the "search"?
 
matt222

Posted:     [ !!! ]

If you watch the video footage of Equinoxe 5, Jarre is seen flitting from one keyboard to another playing the main melody ( as is Perrier ) and then the bass line - only when his fingers play in time to the bassline, he hits 2 notes together. The bass is a mono line. Not real playing there. Anyway, what happens when he stops playing the bassline and shoots over to play the main melody again - in reality it doesn't ring true at all just like when he played those enormous magic keyboards - swapping from one sound to another.ALL SHOW.

An understanding of the scores for these pieces is an insight into how much miming Jarre does.

The China concert performances where claimed to be entirely live and I believe they were - just listen to how Equinoxe 4 differs from the album version. Reason being, no way he could re-create it perfectly on stage live - too many random noise manipulations to replicate. Equinoxe 5 on the vhs is just the original vinyl recording I believe put in when the video was edited.
 
Jakob BC
English Moderator, Studio/Stage Expert


Posted:     [ !!! ]

The miming subject is old news and yes CiC was live. For the CIC album release, JMJ did some studio editing on some of the tracks.
 
Finaero


Posted:     [ !!! ]

Oh my god, JMJ has mimed? :shock: :P

Anyhow, I'm still wondering who was the genius who seriously named 20 seconds of ping pong or whatever as Les Chants Magnetiques I instead of including that stuff at the end of the track that came before it (Orient Express, mmmaybe?).

I guess it was effective enough for one TV broadcast of PLD to actually subtitle the ping pong ball sounds in the beginning of PLD's Souvenir of China "Magnetic Fields 1", only to change to "Souvenir of China" not that long afterwards. :p:

(Then again, the same broadcast actually called the intro to MF2 "Diva"... weird stuff)
 
tinmachine

Posted:     [ !!! ]

Yes, I felt a bit disappointed back in 1989 when I bought the double CD release of Concerts In China, to think how much of a rip-off Magnetic Fields 1 was - 21 seconds of ping pong sounds to serve as an intro to Magnetic Fields 3. And then to find out Band In The Rain was Equinoxe 8 and Last Rumba was Magnetic Fields 5!

Not a bad album, but sometimes I wish he'd have just done a studio album of the new tracks.

By the way, hadn't heard about he Diva caption for PLD MF2, but I have always thought the introduction sounded very Diva-like! As I've said in other posts, the new versions of tracks played at PLD were outstanding, and was the one concert that really deserved an album release!
 
Finaero


Posted:     [ !!! ]

Yeah I think JMJ even used some Diva samples but definitely some Laurie Anderson leftover materials.

Also, the radio broadcast of the first concert is also a bit mysterious... with all the "NOBODY CLAPPED" stories and yet you can still hear applause every now and then (albeit not really during the songs themselves) even though they might be a bit refined... and after MF2 the audience noises go somewhat more audible and the Chinese announceress says something and then that random music that plays after Equinoxe 7 on the album plays... so I guess it wasn't a direct broadcast anyhow.
 
moviemaker

Posted:     [ !!! ]

Live or edited... The Concerts In China album is f^*king brilliant!

Quintessential Jarre and an album that never grows old.

End of discussion.
 
AnDrOiD


Posted:     [ !!! ]

All live albums are processed in a studio.
 
Jakob BC
English Moderator, Studio/Stage Expert


Posted:     [ !!! ]

[quote="AnDrOiD"]All live albums are processed in a studio.[/quote]

Depends on what you mean. In this case other instruments were added, besides the studio tracks.
 
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