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Unedited Waiting for Cousteau
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Dr_Jones 


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Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 4:02 pm   

I mailed Dreyfus about Experimental 2001, but i haven't gotten any reply :-/
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Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 5:21 pm   

They're either never going to release it, or release it when they can easily cash in on Jarre's name for whatever reason. Which is a shame, because I'd love to hear it.
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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 1:21 am   

shadow wrote:
They're either never going to release it, or release it when they can easily cash in on Jarre's name for whatever reason. Which is a shame, because I'd love to hear it.


The former, i.e. never. The latter option is not realistic - I doubt anyone will ever consider this album an easy cash. Let's not forget why this album was never released - the reason is that the album was, pardon my French, "utter sh8" and it was delievered by JMJ only because he wanted to get out of the Sony/FDM relationship. I honestly doubt he (or whomever actually did it) put any effort into it, and even the album name is a clear indication of that (and was probably also a tongue-in-cheek justification of its alleged poor quality: "see, it's crap, because it's EXPERIMENTAL, get it?"). They will never release it, because they still make money selling GOOD JMJ albums and they most certainly will not want to jeopardize the "JMJ" brand. They didn't even want to release Sessions 2000 (and obviously since they kinda HAD to pick something they went with the "lesser evil" - i.e. S2K).
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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 3:48 am   

If Francis Dreyfus choice was S2k over Experimental 2001 (even if he hated both) as his last JMJ release I think the chances are overwhelming that E01 actually is one ugly duck.
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Finaero 


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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:12 am   

Still hoping for someone to accidentally discover the full unedited (and radio chatter free) recordings of PLD from the Europe 2 basements* or somesuch. ;)

(Or even Mike Mansfield's basement, maybe)
 
Pat Gleeson 

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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 11:49 am   

I've never heard Experimental 2001, so I can't comment on it. However one has to understand the context of both albums. Both parties were very upset with each other, and both understood that there were a minimum of two albums needed to finish the then current deal. Sessions 2000 was the one that was chosen first. Because it was so different to the norm and unlikely to be a commercial success on the scale usually associated with JMJ, it was mutually agreed that the one release would serve the contractual obligation. I'm sure FDM chose Sessions 2000 as the more commercial of the two, but I'm loathe to state as a matter of fact that Experimental 2001 is rubbish or otherwise. The favouring of one album over another is a personal thing from the fan point of view (e.g. some people preferring Oxygene over Equinoxe). The choice of Sessions 2000 over Experimental 2001 was purely a commercial one, made under trying circumstances. The fact it remains unreleased is more to do with the fact that the record deal was terminated when FDM realised that JMJ had provided the two albums as per contract, and the laws of diminishing returns dictated it would be way more profitable to release compilations of past work than to go to the trouble of releasing a new album with no commercial return. Experimental 2001 is very unlikely to warrant a release taking into account the time and trouble it would take to re-licence it.
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Hans_Best 

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Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:53 pm   Re: Unedited Waiting for Cousteau

AERO62 wrote:
Here's what the wikipedia page of the album says:

Quote:
Jarre utilised the unedited version as an ambient audience "warm-up" in the hours prior to the Paris la Defense concert in 1990 (and also in many concerts after this "first"), played on the specially installed public address sound system scattered throughout Paris for this event.




I was just checking the German Wiki entry:

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waiting_for_Cousteau

Quote:
Es existiert eine 1 Stunde 14 Minuten dauernde Version, welche als Soundtrack für die Ausstellung Konzert der Bilder (orig. Franz.: Concert d'images) im Jahre 1989 diente.[5]

[5] Eintrag zur Ausstellung Concert d'images auf http://aerozonejmj.fr



Translated:

Quote:

There is a 1 hour 14-minute version, which served as a soundtrack for the exhibition Concert of the images (original Franc .: Concert d'images) in 1989. [5]

[5] Entry to the exhibition Concert d'images on http://aerozonejmj.fr



So at least we have an exact timing now :wink:

Regards,

Hans
 
AERO62 

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Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2019 10:39 pm   

One of the members from the fan group on FB claims that a strictly limited edition CD was available during the opening of Concert D'images, and that his friend got one. Let's see if it would lead anywhere...
 
Dr_Jones 


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Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2019 12:08 am   

Scans of sleeve and CD would be nice too.
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kubrick 

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Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2019 6:07 am   

The complete "En attendent Cousteau" track is indeed played for the exposition in Paris "Conert d'Images" in 1989. There is no CD and there was never a release. People who said that they have a CD or copy of the complete track is pure bullshit. The complete track is never official released All the bla bla bla, is bullshit.... I was there at the time, and they gave cassettes during the exposition. (full track) I don't have the the cassette anymore, because a year after was the album En Attendent Cousteau. And I did'nt know that the track on the tape was complete. Nobody knew that the background music was a track of Jarre in 1989. The exposition was not succesful. What I remember, it was a black cassette with no print or sleeve. Just a tape in a case. And it was free.
 
Dr_Jones 


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Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2019 8:11 am   

kubrick wrote:
The complete "En attendent Cousteau" track is indeed played for the exposition in Paris "Conert d'Images" in 1989. There is no CD and there was never a release. People who said that they have a CD or copy of the complete track is pure bullshit. The complete track is never official released All the bla bla bla, is bullshit....


yeah... That's what I tend to think too. That's why I asked for scans.
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Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2019 9:17 am   

When I interviewed Jarre in November, he told me that the full version was 75 minutes, and that he had to cut it down to 47 minutes to fit in the Calypso tracks, and to 22 minutes to fit on the LP and MC. The version used at the exhibition was cut to 69 minutes.
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AERO62 

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Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2019 11:38 am   

The strangest thing is on french wikipedia it reads:
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Le dernier morceau de 47 minutes qui apparaît sur le CD est complété par les 22 minutes de l'édition vinyle et par les 22 autres minutes de l'édition cassette pour obtenir le morceau complet de 90 minutes présent sur le CD Concert d'images offert durant « Jarre expo » et qui servit d'ambiance sonore à cette même exposition1.


Google translate:

Quote:
The last 47-minute piece that appears on the CD is completed by the 22 minutes of the vinyl edition and by the other 22 minutes of the cassette edition to obtain the complete 90-minute piece on the CD Concert Images offered during "Jarre expo" and served as a sound environment for this exhibition1.


Adds more confusion, but that is most likely false information. I've posted here in the thread links to pieces from preparations of LaDefense that weren't on the 45 min version. And JMJ himself has said that there's an unedited version...
 
Pat Gleeson 

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Posted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 3:06 pm   

kubrick wrote:
What I remember, it was a black cassette with no print or sleeve. Just a tape in a case. And it was free.


I wish I was there the same time as you because there were no cassettes mentioned or on display when I was there 13,14,15,16 July 1989. Lucky you :-)
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AERO62 

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Posted: Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:17 pm   

Pat Gleeson wrote:
kubrick wrote:
What I remember, it was a black cassette with no print or sleeve. Just a tape in a case. And it was free.


I wish I was there the same time as you because there were no cassettes mentioned or on display when I was there 13,14,15,16 July 1989. Lucky you :-)


The more people comment, the more confusion is created :D

3 theories so far:

There was a cassette,
There was a CD,
There was neither.
 
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