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Unedited Waiting for Cousteau
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AERO62

Posted:    Re: Unedited Waiting for Cousteau [ !!! ]

[quote="thhedk"][quote="AERO62"]I absolutely love this track. What a divine melody... but It's only 45 minutes :(
So It occured to me -what if there's a longer one? Here's what the wikipedia page of the album says:[/quote]

Wel, I could easyly make a version lasting 3 hours, by repeating and fading thing's together.
[/quote]

Well anyone could do that. But what if in there's new non-repeating parts in the unedited version...

[quote="thhedk"][quote="thhedk"]
Actually there is a cut someplace in the song.[/quote]

[URL=http://thhe.dk/WaitingForCousteau_34min19sek.wav]at 34min 19 sec[/URL]

4˝ sec in this clip, something is cutted.[/quote]

Great find! I just checked the mysterious/fake concertd'images version to see if there's a similar cut and guess what- there's actually a different tune playing at that time :shock: . So maybe it is real after all. But then why would Jarre so sloppily extend it by reattaching the last fragment ? I'm confused..

One more thing, on my CD, WFC lasts 46:55 minutes, so it's basically 47, not 45 minutes. I wonder is it the same on every CD release ?
 
Pat Gleeson

Posted:    Re: Unedited Waiting for Cousteau [ !!! ]

[quote="AERO62"]One more thing, on my CD, WFC lasts 46:55 minutes, so it's basically 47, not 45 minutes. I wonder is it the same on every CD release ?[/quote]

Yes it is - the exact timing is 46'53", but timings vary from that to 46'57" with the difference being silence at the end.
In relation to the other versions, I was at the Concert D' Images exhibition and I remember the music being pretty much the same as the official release, but it's such a long time ago now it's impossible to compare. I took me a few listens to the CD release to actually remember where I heard the music before. :)
I do seem to remember that WFC was a perfect accompaniment to an exhibition.
Unfortunately the staff were of little help and steadfastly ignored all efforts by people asking about the music, and even resorting to confiscating cameras to stop photography ...
 
DJoA


Posted:     [ !!! ]

[quote="Velodynamic"][quote="melo"]During the Concert of Monaco, this year, I listen another version, maybe 30 ou 45 min. With diferent mix with another Jarre's tracks.

Did someone record this ?[/quote]
This one? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1fFZoVSJow


( http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?m6a8sx2bmw9m0ch )[/quote]


i was also wondering what this track was.... you know something more velodynamic? :roll: :roll:
 
tinmachine

Posted:     [ !!! ]

Does anyone have the 22 minute non CD album version as an mp3, out of interest? It is not just the first 22 minutes of the 46 minute version, it is a different mix.

I have the cassette album, but I'm not that technical minded to create an mp3 of it (the same goes for my cassette of Equinoxe with the non-CD mix of Part 5, but that's another topic!).

I've also noticed that with my CD of WFC (from 1990) there is an annoying jump click at around 28-29 minutes. Is that just my CD?
 
AnDrOiD


Posted:     [ !!! ]

[quote="tinmachine"]I've also noticed that with my CD of WFC (from 1990) there is an annoying jump click at around 28-29 minutes. Is that just my CD?[/quote]

No such thing on mine.
 
tinmachine

Posted:     [ !!! ]

Ok, have to check EBay now for a new CD of WFC!!!
 
AERO62

Posted:     [ !!! ]

[quote="tinmachine"]Does anyone have the 22 minute non CD album version as an mp3, out of interest? It is not just the first 22 minutes of the 46 minute version, it is a different mix.
[/quote]

Aw.. I've never heard that mix.

Can somebody else who owns the cassette or vinyl digitize it (in lossless preferrably :mrgreen: ) ?
 
AERO62

Posted:     [ !!! ]

Here's another difference I just spotted. In concertdimages there's one effect missing. I don't know how to explain it properly but on CD you can hear this sort of like constant 'crystals' effect in the background, while there's none on the other 2 versions.

So every mix is different. But which one is really unedited ? Probably none of them, because not one hits 1 hour mark, and if we trust wikipedia then there should be hours-long track. Maybe it's in the studio somewhere.. Wish I could ask JMJ directly.. Does he even read these forums :lol: ?
  
 
Dr_Jones


Posted:     [ !!! ]

AFAIK, the vinyl version of Waiting for Cousteau is identical to the CD version (only half as short of course).
 
melo


Posted:     [ !!! ]

Thank's Velodynamic for WFC mix by Monaco. :bravo:
 
tinmachine

Posted:     [ !!! ]

[quote="Dr_Jones"]AFAIK, the vinyl version of Waiting for Cousteau is identical to the CD version (only half as short of course).[/quote]

No, well the cassette version isn't. For those who can read sheet music, the WFC songbook has the 22 minute score. It isn't the first 22 minutes of the 46 minute version. If I recall correctly, the 22 minute version doesn't feature the excerpt heard on the PLD video (approx 4-6 minutes into the CD version).
 
Pat Gleeson

Posted:     [ !!! ]

[quote="Dr_Jones"] No, well the cassette version isn't. For those who can read sheet music, the WFC songbook has the 22 minute score. [/quote]

The LP has the same edit as the cassette. The whole scope of the piece edited to 22 mins.
I'm hoping to upload it to the database very soon.
 
Dr_Jones


Posted:     [ !!! ]

[quote="Pat Gleeson"][quote="Dr_Jones"] No, well the cassette version isn't. For those who can read sheet music, the WFC songbook has the 22 minute score. [/quote]

The LP has the same edit as the cassette. The whole scope of the piece edited to 22 mins.
I'm hoping to upload it to the database very soon.[/quote]

Hey, I didn't say that, you're quoting the wrong person!

So in other words: the LP and the Cassette should have the same edit, but I said the LP has the same, but shorter, version as on the CD, so the cassette should have that too.
 
qube

Posted:     [ !!! ]

This track is definitely the one I play the most of JMJ's work, no matter how crappy or stressed I feel it just sorts me out.

I played it in its entirety at my wedding as the guests arrived!
 
Pat Gleeson

Posted:     [ !!! ]

[quote="tinmachine"] No, well the cassette version isn't. For those who can read sheet music, the WFC songbook has the 22 minute score.[/quote]

Is that better ? :D
 
Pat Gleeson

Posted:     [ !!! ]

[quote="Dr_Jones"] So in other words: the LP and the Cassette should have the same edit, but I said the LP has the same, but shorter, version as on the CD, so the cassette should have that too.[/quote]

The cassette and LP have the same edited version, spanning the whole track - not just the first 22mins. of the 46 min. CD version.
 
AERO62

Posted:     [ !!! ]

[quote="qube"]This track is definitely the one I play the most of JMJ's work, no matter how crappy or stressed I feel it just sorts me out.
[/quote]

Same here :bravo:
 
AERO62

Posted:     [ !!! ]

Guys, I'm downloading the vinyl rip, turns out somebody had made it almost a year ago.. I'll put the links once It's done.
 
Velodynamic


Anti-bot filter: velody
Posted:     [ !!! ]

Yes I have a 59, ..."something" minutes mp3 on my hdd. It sound very much like the one I have on CD (-97 Sony remaster) but in the mp3 there's a very distinct cut at 44' minutes and then the end part is repeated to fill out the gap to 59'10. :pwned:

Now I'm playing the vinyl on my turntable through my floor speakers at the same time as I'm playing the CD in the PC with my head phones on.
It's a bit spooky because they're both identical up to about 2'39 minutes and then something happens and they become different mixes.
Perhaps you can find the vinyl continuation somewhere further in the CD-mix but it's too hard to find out this way. :P
  
 
AERO62

Posted:     [ !!! ]

[quote="Velodynamic"]Yes I have a 59, ..."something" minutes mp3 on my hdd. It sound very much like the one I have on CD (-97 Sony remaster) but in the mp3 there's a very distinct cut at 44' minutes and then the end part is repeated to fill out the gap to 59'10. :pwned:[/quote]

Yes, we've established that already :)

Anyway.. as I've said here before, even though it's extended like that. It still is a somewhat different mix, at least I think so because It doesn't sync up with the original it at all. Maybe the beginning was cut as well>? But then, if you pay attention, one effect is missing there. How could they do that? The whole track actually sounds like it's recorded from a tape.

Btw, you should listen to the 50min version, the link is on the first page. THat one is nothing like the others :)
  
 
Trance007


Posted:     [ !!! ]

I would like to add some mess (or maybe clean up the mess :pwned:)

I've uploaded 3 versions of WFC on the database
[u]1) /MP3 - WAV/Albums-bootlegs/Singles, Remixes, Versions, Covers, Miscellaneous/[b]Concerts d'images (En attendant Cousteau 74 min 26).flac[/b][/u]
I got this CDR from a Jarre fan some years ago. I don't know if it's true or a fake.

[u]2) /MP3 - WAV/Albums-bootlegs/Singles, Remixes, Versions, Covers, Miscellaneous/[b]En attendant Cousteau 50 min 29 (from website Un espace pour la tolérance).ra[/b][/u]
Real Audio file ripped from the [url=http://web.archive.org/web/20000520044239/http://www.culture.fr/jarre/tecjarre.htm]Un espace pour la tolérance[/url] website, that Jarre sets up in 1996.
I ripped this file myself, so it's definitively not a fake.
This file was tagged "Concert pour la tolérance" by the website creator, which doesn't really make sense, but explains why there is a file named "En Attendant Cousteau (Concert Pour La Tolerance).mp3" floating around.
Yes, it's the root of the "50minute_tolerance" version. 8)

[u]3) /MP3 - WAV/Albums-bootlegs/Singles, Remixes, Versions, Covers, Miscellaneous/[b]En attendant Cousteau 50 min 29 (from website Un espace pour la Tolérance).mp3[/b][/u]
Same as file 2, but converted to MP3.
Real Audio codecs are hard to find these days. :P


Now, if somebody could analyse these versions, and check if they are made of the CD, cassette, or contains new edit.
I would really appreciate it very much. 8)
 
AERO62

Posted:     [ !!! ]

[quote="Trance007"]I would like to add some mess (or maybe clean up the mess :pwned:)

I've uploaded 3 versions of WFC on the database
[u]1) /MP3 - WAV/Albums-bootlegs/Singles, Remixes, Versions, Covers, Miscellaneous/[b]Concerts d'images (En attendant Cousteau 74 min 26).flac[/b][/u]
I got this CDR from a Jarre fan some years ago. I don't know if it's true or a fake.

Now, if somebody could analyse these versions, and check if they are made of the CD, cassette, or contains new edit.
I would really appreciate it very much. 8)[/quote]

That first one is cd + vinyl + something else put together.
 
Velodynamic


Anti-bot filter: velody
Posted:     [ !!! ]

[quote="AERO62"]
Btw, you should listen to the 50min version, the link is on the first page. THat one is nothing like the others :)[/quote]
The sound quality is not the best. I think it sounds like a "mish-mash" of various cuts from the original mixed together.
I could be wrong though. It could aswell have been produced later with the same type of gear and effects, randomly played in a different way.
If I understood it right wfc was a kind of automatic "random generator" with these characteristic samplings.


[quote="DJoA"][quote="Velodynamic"][quote="melo"]During the Concert of Monaco, this year, I listen another version, maybe 30 ou 45 min. With diferent mix with another Jarre's tracks.

Did someone record this ?[/quote]
This one? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1fFZoVSJow[/quote]
i was also wondering what this track was.... you know something more velodynamic? :roll: :roll:[/quote]
[quote="Dr_Jones"][quote="Oxygene"]Waiting For Cousteau kicked in only 10 Minutes before the concert started. Before there was a strange kind of ambient music played, sometimes sounding like Cousteau, sometimes like Vangelis, sometimes accoustic, sometimes ambient-electro...
[/quote]

That Vangelis-ish part was the start of Christophe's La Dolce Vita, written by Jarre/Christophe.[/quote]
Do I know something more? Not really... :wink:
  
 
Dr_Jones


Posted:     [ !!! ]

[quote="Velodynamic"][quote]
That Vangelis-ish part was the start of Christophe's La Dolce Vita, written by Jarre/Christophe.[/quote]
Not really... :wink:[/quote]

The intro of this song was in the compilation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqfG_r1sI8Q
 
Velodynamic


Anti-bot filter: velody
Posted:     [ !!! ]

[quote="AERO62"]Anyway.. as I've said here before, even though it's extended like that. It still is a somewhat different mix, at least I think so because It doesn't sync up with the original it at all. Maybe the beginning was cut as well>? But then, if you pay attention, one effect is missing there. How could they do that? The whole track actually sounds like it's recorded from a tape.[/quote]
I can sync the 59'' mp3 perfectly with my 1997 CD track. Same effects.
But as you pointed out it's not as clear on the mp3 and it's running a bit too fast.
 
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