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Audible crackling on Equinoxe III (1985->1996)
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Phil


Posted:    Audible crackling on Equinoxe III (1985->1996) [ !!! ]

Do you notice that ? :?

At about 9-10 seconds in, there is audible crackling in the left channel - confirmed this in the following issues :
[color=yellow]- Polydor WG 800025-2 04 (10th anniversary box set)
- Polydor FR 800025-2 05
- Disques Dreyfus FR 824747-2 DCO 2000 MPO 01
- FDM 36141-2 DCO 824747-2 MPO 09 (1992)[/color]

[b][u]Below Equinoxe III on CD between 1983-2011 :[/u][/b] (6 Mastering)
[i]Note: Since 1997, channels are reversed.[/i]
[img]https://lut.im/y5eOC9Jz/9DTsy05y[/img]

[color=yellow]800 025 02[/color] and[color=yellow] 800 025 03[/color] also have "peaks" on the left channel, but I do not hear the crackling noise (!).

The "first CD" (Polydor with red face - [color=green]800 025 01[/color]) has none of these peaks and therefore seems to me to be more faithful to the original recording.

The "MFSL" version (1995) is also excellent.
 
shadow


Posted:     [ !!! ]

Maybe print error it happens. I can't tell myself since I only have the 1997 remastered by Hull and the amazingly hilarious Essentials and Rarities. The vinyl however I can confirm there's no crackle, or pop at the given locations you've pointed out on the images.

But thanks for pointing it out however, now I know which original '83 CD not to buy! :fine:
 
Dr_Jones


Posted:    Re: Audible crackling on Equinoxe III (1985->1996) [ !!! ]

Great analysis. I did notice the crackling on the first CD release myself, and it was gone on the MFSL release. This is why I use that album as my standard Equinoxe release.
I'm curious to know if the 2014 remaster has it.
 
Phil


Posted:     [ !!! ]

Thanks. :)

[quote="DR_Jones"]I'm curious to know if the 2014 remaster has it.[/quote]
2014 should be the same as 2011 (24 -> 16 bit), it's the same sound engineer, [URL=http://yakudaaudio.com/en/who.php]David Perreau[/URL]. :wink: (David Perreau sound like "David Père Eau" = [URL=http://yakudaaudio.com/en/who.php]Dave DadWater[/URL] [i]in english[/i], the name written in booklet)

I think the crackling is audible on all CD (Polydor/Dreyfus) sold between 1985 and 1997 (before Scott Hull Remastering).

Before 1985, the very first mastering is the best, it's the only one (i found) without those "abnormal peaks". (1983 - Polydor 800 025-2 [u][color=green]01[/color][/u] - Red Face - [url=http://www.discogs.com/Jean-Michel-Jarre-Equinoxe/release/3105625]Discog[/url])

[img]http://s.pixogs.com/image/R-3105625-1316014620.jpeg[/img]
 
VinylScratch


Posted:     [ !!! ]

I have one of those "crackling" Equinoxe CDs - not complaining, though - it reminds me a bit of playing a vinyl LP :wink:
I'll take one of those over the louder remasters any day of the week.
 
thhedk

Posted:    Re: Audible crackling on Equinoxe III (1985->1996) [ !!! ]

[quote="Phil"]Do you notice that ? :?
[/quote]

I guess you have the answer from Michel Geiss here :)

Jean-Michel allow me to thank you publicly.
After 40 years, I finally confessed to you a few days ago what had happened to me one morning at the studio during the recordings of Equinoxe, a terrible memory.
After engaging the 16-track tape on the tape recorder, setting it to play ... disaster! horror! The tape had twisted and crumpled at the beginning of the recording of side A. No reproach from you after this revelation ;-)
It must be said that miraculously nothing was noticed ;-)
It took me as long to make this admission! So thanks for your understanding. I plead guilty and I promise to pay attention next time

:D
 
Dr_Jones


Posted:     [ !!! ]

So, it's all Geiss' fault?
 
shadow


Posted:     [ !!! ]

So after the innitial press the magnetic tape got wrecked a bit?
 
Phil


Posted:     [ !!! ]

[quote="Dr_Jones"]So, it's all Geiss' fault?[/quote]
No no it's not Michel Geiss fault ;-)

In the same thread (facebook) someone asks if this has caused the problem on Equinoxe part 3, and he has answered "Zeus was the one ;-)" :
[img]https://zupimages.net/up/18/38/w9ox.jpg[/img]
 
Finaero


Posted:     [ !!! ]

Now I know what you've been talking about all this time (just remembered that I got a hold of the 1991 Digitally Remastered CD version earlier this year, so I checked this out). ;)

Got to say, these random cracklings are still far more enjoyable than:
- Chronologie 8's ending Swatch sounds starting far earlier (and out of sync) than in the previous versions in the Dadwater remaster
- Well, any Dadwater remaster really
 
Phil


Posted:     [ !!! ]

These cracklings on Equinoxe 3 appeared with new mix of Equinoxe 5 (probably created in [URL=https://www.discogs.com/fr/Jean-Michel-Jarre-Equinoxe-4-Version-In%C3%A9dite/release/540576]May 1979[/URL]), on "1983" new Tape Master, but only became audible with "digital" remastering in 1986-87.

[quote="Finaero"]Now I know what you've been talking about all this time (just remembered that I got a hold of the 1991 Digitally Remastered CD version earlier this year, so I checked this out). ;)

Got to say, these random cracklings are still far more enjoyable than:
- Chronologie 8's ending Swatch sounds starting far earlier (and out of sync) than in the previous versions in the Dadwater remaster
- Well, any Dadwater remaster really[/quote]
+1 :wink:
 
Velodynamic


Posted:     [ !!! ]

I think the distortion at 2:48 into Equinoxe V is probably more noticeble yes. :nod:
  
 
Phil


Posted:     [ !!! ]

[quote="Velodynamic"]I think the distortion at 2:48 into Equinoxe IV is probably more noticeble yes. :nod:[/quote]
On which master ? :?

On Equinoxe III it's already very noticeable.. :(
[url=https://www.philiweb.com/download/03-Equi3_ok.mp3]Equinoxe 3 ("8000025-2 01" - 1983) - Very Good[/url] (35s)
[url=https://www.philiweb.com/download/03-Equi3_crackling.mp3]Equinoxe 3 (CD 1987) - Crackling[/url] (35s)
 
Finaero


Posted:     [ !!! ]

This one, perhaps?

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ifrm99kd87ujcrl/AABgsgpXq1HJeQ2tAfmHY2FQa?dl=0

(1991 from the Digitally Remastered series, 1995A from the MFSL CD and 1995B from the MFSL LP)
 
Phil


Posted:     [ !!! ]

[quote="Finaero"]This one, perhaps?

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ifrm99kd87ujcrl/AABgsgpXq1HJeQ2tAfmHY2FQa?dl=0

(1991 from the Digitally Remastered series, 1995A from the MFSL CD and 1995B from the MFSL LP)[/quote]
Compared to Equinoxe III "1986-1996" (with crackling & "metallic" water for very longs seconds), nothing noticeable here for me. :pwned:
 
Finaero


Posted:     [ !!! ]

Oh, definitely agreed!

Also reminds me of the extra noise audible in the sound effects of Oxygene 1 in the 2007 remastered edition (not present in any other edition, even the Dadwater stuff, IIRC)... but that remaster still remains unique in the regard that the "bubbling transition" between Oxygene 4 and 5 begins much later in the 2007 version - while that doesn't really improve the track, it's still unique and a nice bonus. ;)

(Hearing Oxygene 10 in-between the opening laser harp notes of Oxygene 7 still is a nicer "easter egg" to me, though https://www.dropbox.com/s/4ccd4on0z79iwzh/1997.wav?dl=0 ;))

(Removing the WAVs tomorrow!)
 
Velodynamic


Posted:     [ !!! ]

[quote="Phil"][quote="Velodynamic"]I think the distortion at 2:48 into Equinoxe IV is probably more noticeble yes. :nod:[/quote]
On which master ? :? [/quote]
Sorry, I meant V (part 5) nothing else. My bad. :P
 
Phil


Posted:     [ !!! ]

[quote="Finaero"]... (Hearing Oxygene 10 in-between the opening laser harp notes of Oxygene 7 still is a nicer "easter egg" to me, though https://www.dropbox.com/s...h/1997.wav?dl=0 ;) ) [/quote]
Nice "easter egg". :wink: (It's really disappointing to see all these faulty remastering. :( )

[quote="Velodynamic"]Sorry, I meant V (part 5) nothing else. My bad. :P[/quote]
Oh ok, i heard it. :-) (a nice little sound compared to the crunches on Equinox 3 :nod: )
And thank you, because now i'm 100% convinced that Equinoxe V new mix (on all Equinoxe albums since ~1983 and "800025-2 02" CD) come from may 1979 : https://www.discogs.com/fr/Jean-Michel-Jarre-Equinoxe-4-Version-In%C3%A9dite/release/540576
 
shadow


Posted:     [ !!! ]

Was the remix ever given a digital release? Or still officially only on the vinyl?
 
Jote


Posted:     [ !!! ]

[quote="shadow"]Was the remix ever given a digital release? Or still officially only on the vinyl?[/quote]

Both versions of Equinoxe V are available on CD.
 
Dr_Jones


Posted:     [ !!! ]

[quote="shadow"]Was the remix ever given a digital release? Or still officially only on the vinyl?[/quote]

The remix is what you hear on every CD except 800025-2 01.
 
Phil


Posted:     [ !!! ]

[quote="shadow"]Was the remix ever given a digital release? Or still officially only on the vinyl?[/quote]
Equinoxe V :
CD "800025-2 01" = Original Mix. (First Equinoxe's CD : ~1983)
CD "800025-2 02" = First CD with New Mix. (The new Tape Master used has crunches on Equinoxe III and distortion on new Equinoxe V at 2:48 :| )
  
 
shadow


Posted:     [ !!! ]

I meant the 45 Maxi remix of 4 posted the post directly above my previous post, that the album CD has two mixes I know, I was the one who raised the question about the vinyl mix being on CD :P
 
Phil


Posted:     [ !!! ]

[quote="shadow"]I meant the 45 Maxi remix of 4 posted the post directly above my previous post, that the album CD has two mixes I know, I was the one who raised the question about the vinyl mix being on CD :P[/quote]
Not to my knowledge. (I have not seen a CD reissue on Discog.)

Unofficial Release (from Chile) - Remastered sound from the blue vinyl : https://www.discogs.com/fr/Jean-Michel-Jarre-Equinoxe-4-Version-In%C3%A9dite/release/7148196 :wink:
 
Dr_Jones


Posted:     [ !!! ]

Nope, never has. I once asked the guy who compiled those CDs which had Rendez-Vous 4, Zoolook and Zoolookologie 12" mixes if he had the rights to publish Equinoxe 4 12" version too and yes, he has. But he hasn't released it yet.
 
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