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Audible crackling on Equinoxe III (1985->1996)
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jarreaus 

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Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 3:37 pm   

Phil wrote:
shadow wrote:
Was the remix ever given a digital release? Or still officially only on the vinyl?

Equinoxe V :
CD "800025-2 01" = Original Mix. (First Equinoxe's CD : ~1983)
CD "800025-2 02" = First CD with New Mix. (The new Tape Master used has crunches on Equinoxe III and distortion on new Equinoxe V at 2:48 :| )


What was the stereo image configuration of the original mix CD? I have the 'standard' Polydor CD version with the crackling on E3 as mentioned (although I've never noticed the distortion on E5) and also the 1997 Sony remaster with the 'corrected' stereo channel image. The reason I ask is that I noticed the Equinoxe edits on the 1983 The Essential compilation has E3 without the crackling and also the stereo configuration the same as the 1997 remaster (which was reverse of the common Polydor version).
 
Phil 


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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2018 6:32 pm   

jarreaus wrote:
Phil wrote:
shadow wrote:
Was the remix ever given a digital release? Or still officially only on the vinyl?

Equinoxe V :
CD "800025-2 01" = Original Mix. (First Equinoxe's CD : ~1983)
CD "800025-2 02" = First CD with New Mix. (The new Tape Master used has crunches on Equinoxe III and distortion on new Equinoxe V at 2:48 :| )


What was the stereo image configuration of the original mix CD? I have the 'standard' Polydor CD version with the crackling on E3 as mentioned (although I've never noticed the distortion on E5) and also the 1997 Sony remaster with the 'corrected' stereo channel image. The reason I ask is that I noticed the Equinoxe edits on the 1983 The Essential compilation has E3 without the crackling and also the stereo configuration the same as the 1997 remaster (which was reverse of the common Polydor version).


It's not always easy to determine if there has been channel inversion even with headphones (this is especially true with the Zoolook album and its 1997 remastering), so waveforms can help. :)

From what I see of these waveforms, the stereo image looks the same only on the first Equinoxe CD and the first 'The Essential' compilation.


(You can click to enlarge. There is several other remastering on the previous page :idea: )
 
jarreaus 

Age: 39
Joined: 07 Jan 2016
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Location: Australia
Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 1:24 pm   

Phil wrote:
jarreaus wrote:
Phil wrote:
shadow wrote:
Was the remix ever given a digital release? Or still officially only on the vinyl?

Equinoxe V :
CD "800025-2 01" = Original Mix. (First Equinoxe's CD : ~1983)
CD "800025-2 02" = First CD with New Mix. (The new Tape Master used has crunches on Equinoxe III and distortion on new Equinoxe V at 2:48 :| )


What was the stereo image configuration of the original mix CD? I have the 'standard' Polydor CD version with the crackling on E3 as mentioned (although I've never noticed the distortion on E5) and also the 1997 Sony remaster with the 'corrected' stereo channel image. The reason I ask is that I noticed the Equinoxe edits on the 1983 The Essential compilation has E3 without the crackling and also the stereo configuration the same as the 1997 remaster (which was reverse of the common Polydor version).


It's not always easy to determine if there has been channel inversion even with headphones (this is especially true with the Zoolook album and its 1997 remastering), so waveforms can help. :)

From what I see of these waveforms, the stereo image looks the same only on the first Equinoxe CD and the first 'The Essential' compilation.

[url=https://zupimages.net/up/18/41/ggcz.png]Image[/url]
(You can click to enlarge. There is several other remastering on the previous page :idea: )


Ahh I worked out what the problem is. All tracks on my copy of The Essential have the stereo image reversed however I'm listening to it from my iPod which I ripped from the CD. It's possible iTunes decoded it wrong. I'll dig out the CD in the next few days to check.

So basically all versions of Equinoxe before 1997 have the same stereo image including the original 'redface' press?
 
Phil 


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Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:48 pm   

jarreaus wrote:
(...) So basically all versions of Equinoxe before 1997 have the same stereo image including the original 'redface' press?

Yes that's what we can observe.. but a glassmaster error remains possible. :mrgreen: (According to an interview with JMJ in a Keyboards Mag, there are some albums of Oxygen produced before 1997 with the inverted channels .. the result of a bad "glassmaster".)
 
Jote 


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Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 7:11 pm   

So... which stereo image is the correct one?
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Phil 


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Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 8:10 pm   

Jote wrote:
So... which stereo image is the correct one?

It would be surprising if JMJ didn't validate this change (same for the Zoolook album), but he's the only one who can answer.

Both versions have been produced for 20 years, so maybe that's not important. (In a general way with JMJ's albums I tend to regard the original mastering on CD as the good one.)
 
Finaero 


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Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 8:33 pm   

For comparison's sake, here's Equinoxe 4 (from the top: 1978 French LP, 1991 Digitally Remastered CD, 1995 MFSL CD):

 
jarreaus 

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Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 6:05 am   

Phil wrote:
jarreaus wrote:
(...) So basically all versions of Equinoxe before 1997 have the same stereo image including the original 'redface' press?

Yes that's what we can observe.. but a glassmaster error remains possible. :mrgreen: (According to an interview with JMJ in a Keyboards Mag, there are some albums of Oxygen produced before 1997 with the inverted channels .. the result of a bad "glassmaster".)


That must of been what happened with my edition of The Essential I just checked and it's definitely the CD itself. This is the Australian pressed version. So Polygram Australia must of utilised a glass master with the reverse stereo image.
 
jarreaus 

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Location: Australia
Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 6:41 am   

Phil wrote:
Jote wrote:
So... which stereo image is the correct one?

It would be surprising if JMJ didn't validate this change (same for the Zoolook album), but he's the only one who can answer.

Both versions have been produced for 20 years, so maybe that's not important. (In a general way with JMJ's albums I tend to regard the original mastering on CD as the good one.)


I recall back in 1997 Sony claimed that the original was incorrect and that they 'corrected' it with the remastering process. (However it appears the Band in the Rain section of Equinoxe 8 they kept the same as before moves gradually from left to right).

Something I recall an audio engineer said to me years ago was that it was common mixing practice to have the primary sound more to the left and the delays more to the right. If that be the case then the 1997 onward versions of Equinoxe with the channels switched seem to convey that aesthetic so maybe it was a correction after all. Moreover Oxygene also seems to be mixed that way.
 
Analog-Umph 


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Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:34 pm   

Finaero wrote:
(Hearing Oxygene 10 in-between the opening laser harp notes of Oxygene 7 still is a nicer "easter egg" to me, though https://www.dropbox.com/s...h/1997.wav?dl=0 ;) )

(Removing the WAVs tomorrow!)

That link is dead, can you upload it again?
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Finaero 


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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 6:14 pm   

Analog-Umph wrote:
Finaero wrote:
(Hearing Oxygene 10 in-between the opening laser harp notes of Oxygene 7 still is a nicer "easter egg" to me, though https://www.dropbox.com/s...h/1997.wav?dl=0 ;) )

(Removing the WAVs tomorrow!)

That link is dead, can you upload it again?


Here's a re-upload (for this weekend only ;) ): https://www.dropbox.com/s...MPLIFY.mp3?dl=0
 
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