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Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 9:28 am
by LeoDaV
I know I'm portraying it black and white and quite extreme. In that way I hope you can see what I think about the ridicoulous 'rule' that one can't have a 'jarre mimes yes/no'-thread. It makes you wonder where is the line? Future will tell ofcource. I just have the feeling it's going the same direction as the jarrenet forum in the last weeks before it died. I'm just one of those who don't like rules. I feel being closed in a (La) Cage. Bottom line here is I won't join there.

@littlesis: Yes, there must be rules. They are called 'common sense'. Unfortunately not all of us posses the same ruleset. As for "who really wants to hear themselves being possibly criticised or ripped to pieces by others": I do! Critize me please. Debunk me. That's what freedom of speech is all about.

@Cousteau: I did read the (now old) rulez. I don't like them.

UPDATE: They have been changed to: http://jarreforum.com/showthread.php?t=46 Fortunately the restriction of the 'jarre mimes or not'-thread has been removed. Thanks for that. I still don't like the "If anyone feels that a member is trading BOOTLEG material of the above, please inform a Moderator or Administrator immediately."-rule. I don't want to be the one who is betraying his/her friends. But all in all it's better acceptable then the previous version.

@Big time: The vote is nothing more then a choise between freedom or dictatorship. Look at recent events in Belarus and there are more examples. Democracy is not perfect, but there is nothing better (yet).

@Chris: Is the posting of a 'does jarre mimes'-thread a treath to the safety?

@AMR: :)

@Vieon: I have doubts about the relation between Aero Prod & JarreUK. JarreUK always shroud new info in mist, avoid questions and act if they know all. Yet most of us already know the info before it's being thold by them! Why the evasive actions? Why not simply tell when asked? Do they ever think of the possibillity that more ppl have direct lines to jmj then just them?

I know I can be a pain in the ass sometimes but rebels are neccecairy to get noses pointing in the same direction.

J.

Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 9:29 am
by GeeJee
Cousteau wrote:on a seperate note, i would still like to wish GeeJee a happy birthday :)
Thankyou Robin :D

As for this boycott: You can pick the forum you like, or be at both, but I want to avoid any kind of competition between the two of us. A boycott is a bit too extreme to me, so for now I won't lock this topic (I almost would've done that, for the sake of the positive attitude), but don't let this be a place for rant towards JarreUK, they simply do not deserve that.

I have my thoughts and doubts too, but I won't show my opinion in public here, I think that's for the better. Take care :)

Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 9:31 am
by Ronja
What I personally feel...whatever is our opinion about miming, no matter if we find discussing it "boring" or not, it's quite strange to forbid people talking about it.
I'm the last person who would like offend JMJ by some stupid thread, but miming is a fact. Maybe he has some reasons not to play live which I don't know...but playback, OK or not OK, exist so...
Jarre is a Master anyway, even if I prefer live concerts, but he made decision to use PB so I see no reason for him to be offended by discussions about it. It's his decision, he should have consciousness that opinions about it are divided. And he to me seems to be the artist mature enough to receive also some constructive critic.

But moderators of "Space Of Freedom" didn't cancel or remove the thread at least, so I don't see a problem for this moment :)

Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 9:43 am
by LeoDaV
One thing I missed in my last post:
I did not write this topic for the sake of competition. That has nothing to do with it. It had all to do with the right to discuss any topic you like within the bounderies of common sense. Like I wrote I portrayed it black and white and rather extreme. That way it will attract ppls attention. Maybe I should have said it not in such an extreme way. But in the end: The forum rulez changed on the jarreforum....

We have a saying here: The soup is not that hot when it's being eaten.
And that also goes for this topic ;)

J.

Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 10:06 am
by SHARPBLUE
I don't know if I wan't to join another Jarre forum. It's twice as much work and pretty much the same posts going into both anyway. The jarreuk forum was okay but quiet, most were on the jarre.net one as we know. This one seems to have continuued that legacy quite nicely. If jarre had one on his own site (as he did before but it was discontinuued by Sony moderators) I might consider it, but for now I am staying put here. That's no disrespect to Robin and the guy's at jarre.uk I am just lazy. :lol:

Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 1:15 pm
by ItsMeOnly
Freedom != lack of rules and guidelines, so no boycott here.

Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 3:07 pm
by fbazo
this thread stinks...

Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 3:54 pm
by GeeJee
It´s a space of freedom here, and people are expressing their feelings and opinions. Got a problem with that, Fernando? :)

Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 3:59 pm
by Robi
But why should we boycott that forum??? :roll: :wink:

Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 3:59 pm
by Livgivare
I voted for Freedom? Do they serve it with chips?

Haha...this is a strange topic that soon will get out of hand. But you could carry on if you like. I am just amazed that this turned into the miming thread...

Love Leelene

Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 4:03 pm
by Christophe
GeeJee wrote:I have my thoughts and doubts too, but I won't show my opinion in public here, I think that's for the better. Take care :)
Yes, I also won't show my opinion in public here! :wink:

Greetzzz...

Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 6:19 pm
by Nico_Noyau
I voted for freedom
As I said : "Too many informations kill the information"
So : "Too many forums kill the community"
That's all I have to say...

Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 6:24 pm
by Velodynamic
I'm allmost a bit temted to vote "I love dictators"...just to see what will happens... :lol:

Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 6:27 pm
by AMR
noyau wrote:I voted for freedom
As I said : "Too many informations kill the information"
So : "Too many forums kill the community"
That's all I have to say...
I onced asked a wise man the same thing...
I thought that way too many techniques focus you out from the certain few, which if you get mastered, make a lot more diference.

He agreed completely!
Then he asked me, so we could also agree, what did I thought to be too many techniques?

I got the answer right, after hundreds of pats in the neck and thousands of push-ups...

Kind Regards,
AMR
http://www.alvaromrocha.com

Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 6:30 pm
by GeeJee
noyau wrote:I voted for freedom
As I said : "Too many informations kill the information"
So : "Too many forums kill the community"
That's all I have to say...
Very well said. I agree completely.