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For me, Oxygen In Moscow was the best concert of JMJ ever. We have three recordings of it, one is offcial dvd which lacks most of the tracks and good shots, tv broadcast which is almost complete but also lacks some nice visual action and finally there is cam version recorded with two camcorders which lacks great quality but is pretty much complete and camera is set in front of the buliding so you can't miss a single firework:) And I want to re-edit whole thing using all three sources and I need your advices and suggestions. So... first things:

1. What shots do you like the most?(wide plan with lots of light beams and fireworks, stage shots, band close ups etc.)

2. In tv broadcast version there is tv logo in the corner:




Naturally in shots taken from tv version this logo is going to be visible, in others shots - not. Should I just leave it, blur it or maybe cover with oxygene skull (or something
) as logo in shots from all three sources?

I need all you suggestions, after all it's going to be released to all of you;)

I myself would like to have then all seperately, never seen the broadcast nor any handheld shots, only own the officcal DVD
Also I hate it whenever a logo is blurred/overlayed/whatever, it somewhat destroys it for me, the logo may not be the best thing, but I dont mind it as my attention isn't on the logo, but on the concert

I would use shots from all sources and put a new logo over the old one on the new edit

Do you prefer panned 16:9 ratio(worse video quality) or the original 4:3?

Don't mess up the quality for the sake of a better ratio.. I can get used to 4:3

Keep it 4:3. If it was not recorded in 16:9, don't crop it to fit.

Is it really that bad cropped to 16:9?

If you really want the best quality,.. keep it on 4:3

Interesting project:) il be looking forward to it

So... there is an idea... I have audio from camcorder version which is full of audience reactions and of course with music - lots of mid and high tones. There is also a tv broadcast audio with no crowd sounds but with music in good quality. Now think about this:

Center speaker: Clear audio from tv version.
Subwoofer: Clear audio from tv version without mid and high tones - low tones enhanced a bit
Front speakers: Mixed 70% of tv broadcast audio and 30% of camcorder audio
Surround speakers: Camcorder audio with subtle reverb for better surround feeling

Grab a sample from Nico database(Concerts/Oxygen In Moscow Revisited/)
or here: http://www56.zippyshare.com/v/61983807/file.html

is this going to work?

It could work, but you can also change the volume of the audience throughout the video... As you hear them soft when the music plays, and louder when the song is finished...
Take a look at the "Jarre In China" for what I (somewhat) meen, the moment's on the DVD when the music play's is completly empty from audience but inbetween them you clearly hear them... If you have them somewhat underneath the music track it could work out very well

Or you could do it the hard way and make two different mixes, it's hard but that way the person watching can decide if he/she want's with ot without

bartekxyz wrote:Is it really that bad cropped to 16:9?

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Not really, but you are loosing part's of the screen that still feature's information. If you would crop it to 16*9 and not do a sort of Pan and Scan (Pan and Scan is actually for going from Widescreen to Fullscreen, but there is also something that does exactly the same for Fullscreen to Widescreen, but I forgot the name of it), you will loose screen and if not done right, you will lose important information on the video...

For example, when you crop to 16*9 without any actual scanning the screen, you will sometimes get Jarre's head half in screen with the rest falling off, or miss a part of the fireworks (and considering the OIM DVD is already missing some beautifull fireworks because it wasn't recorded inWidescreen), you will barely keep any fireworks left at all...

There is a reason why many director's hate cropping, let alone someone else! Every read Stanley Kubrick's reaction to: 2001 A Space Oddysy in Pan And Scan, I can tell you, it wasn't nice

@shadow

I can make two tracks: first with clean stereo and second in surround with audience during music, I have plenty of space as DVD DL is my target medium. And about picture ratio... I think it's going to be 16*9... It just looks better and there is not a big quality loss. There is also nothing interesting happening in upper and lower portion of the screen - everything is nicely focused in center;) So... It's going to be in 16*9 with 5.1 surround(optional stereo)

Sound's good, but I still sugest to atleast scan the screen while cropping just in case

Widescreen test:

Looks like nobody really cares Fortunately I do it mostly for myself and don't need your appreciation. But still... you could show some interest. Anyway, all three sources are finally in full sync and I can start picking scenes and do some real editing.

Here is first track, rendez-vous 2 - reedited>>>

In final dvd quality may still vary as only slight color and contrast correction is made in this version. I think that full month of constant work would be enough to finish this project.. It's really THAT work consuming.. Three video tracks, 5.1 surround sound mixed from 3 stereo tracks.. every scene needs separate color, brightness and contrast correction... months of work and it's going to be squeezed in 2:30h video.

Looks good to me. The colors of the different sources match up pretty good. Keep up the good work

/edit: personally, I would do the amateur shots in black/white, so that you get a bit of a bootleg atmosphere mixed up with the real thing. But that's just personal.