Blah Blah Cafe, the Jean-Michel Jarre forum

Robi

How different this is compared to recent version......

jp8000

It is different enough, this version has a nice drumbeat for example.

(I would say that the 1997 tour was a bit better than this recent tour, <and it contained oxygene 7 and 8 and laser harp had a cooler positioning in that concert>)

daz

yeah,its better

tinmachine

I would say the recent tour is lot better as it doesn't contain Oxygene 7 and Oxygene 8, and instead we get classics like Equinoxe 5, Rendez-Vous 4, Rendez-Vous 2 and Chronologie 2!
But yes, the old 1997 Oxygene 5 is better!

marc_young

tinmachine wrote:I would say the recent tour is lot better as it doesn't contain Oxygene 7 and Oxygene 8, and instead we get classics like Equinoxe 5, Rendez-Vous 4, Rendez-Vous 2 and Chronologie 2!
But yes, the old 1997 Oxygene 5 is better!

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I find this post amusing. I'm thrilled that Equinoxe V is being performed, but regarding the others... There are few shows where Rendez-Vous II and Rendez-Vous IV has not been performed. Since first being performed, I can only think of Concert for Tolerance and the two previous tours, where Rendez-Vous II has not been performed. Rendez-vous IV has, if my memory serves me right. been performed at every concert with the exception of Oxygene tour 1997. Chronologie II has been performed both in Gdansk and Marocco recently.
Since the second leg of the oxygene tour, Oxygene VII has only been performed at the sunrise concert in Giza and in Marocco. At the last two dates, the song was altered very much from the original version. So, if we are going to look on classic songs, Oxygene VII is much overdue for a new performance.
Still, as I said, I was thrilled at hearing all those songs (With the sole exception of Rendez-Vous IV which had not yet been added to the list) when I attended the show in Göteborg last year.

Robi

Has JMJ's solo was played by portable keyboard, e.g. Liberation?

Robi wrote:Has JMJ's solo was played by portable keyboard, e.g. Liberation?

what mean you pizza acha franklin d. roosevelt?

daz

i want him to add in the last part of MF 1 and Blah-Blah Cafe. Would love to hear BBC played at a concert with a real heavy bouncing bass line, Jarre could adlib all he wanted with that track. Agree Oxy7 needs resurrecting. Ditch Chrono 6 in favour of 4. Think he should have had more tracks to chose from not having every concert the same.

Oxy 5 is to far from the original now. If i hear the latest live one it does not have the same reagal sound as the studio.

tinmachine

marc_young wrote:
tinmachine wrote:I would say the recent tour is lot better as it doesn't contain Oxygene 7 and Oxygene 8, and instead we get classics like Equinoxe 5, Rendez-Vous 4, Rendez-Vous 2 and Chronologie 2!
But yes, the old 1997 Oxygene 5 is better!
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I find this post amusing. I'm thrilled that Equinoxe V is being performed, but regarding the others... There are few shows where Rendez-Vous II and Rendez-Vous IV has not been performed. Since first being performed, I can only think of Concert for Tolerance and the two previous tours, where Rendez-Vous II has not been performed. Rendez-vous IV has, if my memory serves me right. been performed at every concert with the exception of Oxygene tour 1997. Chronologie II has been performed both in Gdansk and Marocco recently.
Since the second leg of the oxygene tour, Oxygene VII has only been performed at the sunrise concert in Giza and in Marocco. At the last two dates, the song was altered very much from the original version. So, if we are going to look on classic songs, Oxygene VII is much overdue for a new performance.
Still, as I said, I was thrilled at hearing all those songs (With the sole exception of Rendez-Vous IV which had not yet been added to the list) when I attended the show in Göteborg last year.

I'm glad you find my post amusing, but I was actually being serious! Up until his recent tour, Oxygene 7-13 tended to over-dominate his set lists, and quite frankly myself and possibly the public at large think the album is one of his less decent albums. In my opinion Oxygene 12 is probably the only worthwhile inclusion in a set list as it has a cool video to go along with it. I also happen to think that Equinoxe 5, RV 2 and RV4 are more worthwhile inclusions for an enjoyable uplifting concert than say Oxygene 7 or Oxygene 8 which may be of appeal to a hard core section of JMJ fans but few others. If I was to try and get a complete stranger to like JMJ, I'd play him Oxygene 4, Equinoxe 5, RV 2, RV 4 but I'd hide my CD of Oxygene 7-13 away (along with a few other ones too! lol)

I would actually like JMJ to drop Oxygene 5 and Variations 3 from the set list, and replace it with Chronologie 4 and maybe Zoolookologie (or Ethnicolor/Zoolookologie
like at PLD).

Robi

I could have come up with any of track from 1997, I chosed Oxygene 5 because this is one of my favourite.
Recent version is, well, I like, though undoubtedly too rockish. JMJ's solo dominates the all piece, while in 1997 you could hear more of his musicians' parts.
I really don't want O5/V3 having left from setlist

, just say that JMJ might give more role for the partners, in this piece.

jeanbatman

Robi wrote:(...) just say that JMJ might give more role for the partners, in this piece.

Yes I agree... But they are less on stage than in 1997. 4 versus 5.

marc_young

tinmachine wrote:I'm glad you find my post amusing, but I was actually being serious! Up until his recent tour, Oxygene 7-13 tended to over-dominate his set lists, and quite frankly myself and possibly the public at large think the album is one of his less decent albums. In my opinion Oxygene 12 is probably the only worthwhile inclusion in a set list as it has a cool video to go along with it. I also happen to think that Equinoxe 5, RV 2 and RV4 are more worthwhile inclusions for an enjoyable uplifting concert than say Oxygene 7 or Oxygene 8 which may be of appeal to a hard core section of JMJ fans but few others. If I was to try and get a complete stranger to like JMJ, I'd play him Oxygene 4, Equinoxe 5, RV 2, RV 4 but I'd hide my CD of Oxygene 7-13 away (along with a few other ones too! lol)

I would actually like JMJ to drop Oxygene 5 and Variations 3 from the set list, and replace it with Chronologie 4 and maybe Zoolookologie (or Ethnicolor/Zoolookologie
like at PLD).

There are parts of this that I agree with, and parts that I don't. Regarding Oxygene 7-13, I can't agree that the album was over-dominating his setlist. With the exception of Oxygene VIII and XII none of the tracks has been performed much during the last couple of years. I believe Oxygene XIII was last being performed in China. Oxygene X hasn't been performed since the millenium concert in Giza and Oxygene XI has not been heard since the second part of the Oxygene 7-13 tour.
I feel that tracks like Oxygene VII, VIII and XII are just as good as much of Jean Michel's other work.
Still, there are some songs that I truly miss. Chronologie IV is always a crowdpleaser, but has not been played since Moscow to my knowledge.
Regarding Oxygene V/Variation III, I tend to agree to some parts about dropping it. If you compare how he performed the song at the beginning of the tour last year, and how it is being performed now, it has changed quite much. There's just to much improvising. I feel the same way regarding Magnetic Fields II. It felt very fresh last year, but now I can hardly recognice the different parts anymore. This goes especially for Perrier's solo. I was overjoyed that it was back last year, but now I feel that it has been changed to much.
Chronologie VI is also a crowdpleaser, but I feel that it is time to give the song a rest for some time. The song, alongside Oxygene II and Souveniers has been performed at every concert for the last ten years or so. As much as I love them, they really should be dropped in favour for some other tracks. It would, for excample, be nice to hear the whole Industrial Revolution suite. Since changing the order of the setlist, Industrial Revolution II doesn't work as well as before.

I'm glad you find my post amusing, but I was actually being serious! Up until his recent tour, Oxygene 7-13 tended to over-dominate his set lists, and quite frankly myself and possibly the public at large think the album is one of his less decent albums. [/quote]

Whaat?
Oxygene 7-13 is a very decent imho. I love it from beginning to end..?

The only thing I don't like about the current setlist is Industrial Revolution Part 2 - it's clearly a middle piece cut out of the whole suite which doesn't work as a standalone piece.

tinmachine

Perhaps also Oxygene 2 and Magnetic Fields 1 are overdone a bit, although I thought Chronologie 6 was great.

Anyway I'd just like to clarify that I don't think Oxygene 7-13 is bad, and I can listen to Parts 11-13 as a continual mix quite happily on my iPod as well as Oxygene 8. I'm not keen on Oxygene 7 though. But apart from Oxygene 12, I wouldn't say they are major crowd pleasers with the album. And in his latest set list, I would say the same is also true of Oxygene 5/Variations 3 - it just goes on too long and there's too much improvisation. At the latest one we went to (Paris in March), we definitely thought "well anyone could have done that with that equipment!" when it came to Oxy5/V3. It was the disappointing part of a great show.

I would also agree with the comments about Industrial Revolution 2, come to think of it. Great light display, but it's a linking piece and doesn't work that well in it's own right. I think he should have either performed the whole of Industrial Revolutions, or just the Overture bit, or even better - the track Revolutions.

I don't understand at all how you can not like Oxygene 7. It's a great track, I really love it.

Oxygene 5 1997's version...