Blah Blah Cafe, the Jean-Michel Jarre forum

[BnM]

JMJ:
Human ... Not Human

Esp as some "followers" of what they think is religion
can sometimes behave as Not human towards their fellow Humans.

[Jett Moonwing]

It's actually a legal religion now. Yay.

I wonder how many people actually practice it, though...as opposed to just being Star Wars fans

[synthx]

Christian, but not any of the standard types. I have my own belief, since really who can tell you what is true or not ? (Everything has to be interpeted through the human mind, who can really say "Yeah, I Have the absolute truth ?).

[Jock]

I own 3 Lightsabres, therefore I take my Jedi religion very seriously...

ok.. they arent REAL lightsabres, but as soon as they are invented I'll buy one.

[Nitrus]

I thought building your own lightsaber is a proof of Jedi's maturity. Why buy it?

[BnM]

really who can tell you what is true or not ? ... who can really say "Yeah, I Have the absolute truth ?).

ExActlEE.
We all have the capacity to obtain a chink of the Truth.
It may not be the complete Truth, but it is certainly a part of the Complete.
... Dependant on our own capacities:
openmindedness, sincerity, humbleness, flexibility.

[Jock]

Nitrus, erm... yes, you've got me there !! I did build a lightsabre by gaffer taping a maglite to my chainsaw. But It didnt really look the part.

[SHARPBLUE]

It's actually a legal religion now. Yay.

people could put Jedi on their census forms here in the UK, but the Census bureau said it would be discounted, just goes to show it don't matter diddly squat what you do in the UK the Government ignore the population. see my tony bLIAR comment below. They are currently running scared though as the threat from the BNP (British National Party) in the upcomming local elections here is a real one, don't be surprised to see rioting here in the UK (like in France) in the near future as the disolutionment with the government continuues over low wages, high taxes, the EU bollox, and the high amount of immigration into the uK which is bankrupting the country.

[BnM]

in the near future as the disolutionment with the government continuues over low wages, high taxes, the EU bollox, and the high amount of immigration into the uK which is bankrupting the country.

In an independent survey aired on a BBC2 business program,
US run companies in the UK were found to be up to 86% more efficient than UK run ones.
European run companies were upto 52% more efficient.

What is bankrupting this country is Goss Mismanagement of funds.
In nearly Every Single Sector.

The fact that the government needs to set taxes high and wages low in comparison,
highlights this Gross Mismanagement.
I.e they keep needing the money to try & cover up their inefficiently (cockups).

This for the 5th largest economy in the world.

Also NOT the immigrants.
Unless one believes right wing newspapers as the Sun or Express or Mail
or zingoistic ones like the Telegraph or Times.

The number of Non working immigrants is very low.
The Working immigrant contribute 18 Trillion pounds apparently every year.
There are Much more native English people claiming benefits, with multiple children etc etc.

Also a large enough % of our economy is supoprted by
unfair trade pactices against "3rd" world countires,
negative effects of globalisation,
arms trade
interest repayments from loans to "3rd" world countires.

In any case countries such as Pakistan took in 2million Afgan refugees.
We only get a very small % of people into the UK compared to Many other countries.

[SHARPBLUE]

in the near future as the disolutionment with the government continuues over low wages, high taxes, the EU bollox, and the high amount of immigration into the uK which is bankrupting the country.

In an independent survey aired on a BBC2 business program,
US run companies in the UK were found to be up to 86% more efficient than UK run ones.
European run companies were upto 52% more efficient.

What is bankrupting this country is Goss Mismanagement of funds.
In nearly Every Single Sector.

The fact that the government needs to set taxes high and wages low in comparison,
highlights this Gross Mismanagement.
I.e they keep needing the money to try & cover up their inefficiently (cockups).

This for the 5th largest economy in the world.

Also NOT the immigrants.
Unless one believes right wing newspapers as the Sun or Express or Mail
or zingoistic ones like the Telegraph or Times.

The number of Non working immigrants is very low.
The Working immigrant contribute 18 Trillion pounds apparently every year.
There are Much more native English people claiming benefits, with multiple children etc etc.

Also a large enough % of our economy is supoprted by
unfair trade pactices against "3rd" world countires,
negative effects of globalisation,
arms trade
interest repayments from loans to "3rd" world countires.

In any case countries such as Pakistan took in 2million Afgan refugees.
We only get a very small % of people into the UK compared to Many other countries.

Sounds like Labour / BBC propaganda to me. They continue to quote figures and statistics, but when you get down to the 'nitty, gritty' the UKs working classes are being shafted. Immigration IS A PROBLEM espeicially in inner cities (my town is particularly bad) - we may have 5 best economy, but we also have the 16th worst standard of living in the UK compared to a lot of european countries.

[BnM]

Sounds like Labour / BBC propaganda to me. They continue to quote figures and statistics, but when you get down to the 'nitty, gritty' the UKs working classes are being shafted. Immigration IS A PROBLEM espeicially in inner cities (my town is particularly bad) - we may have 5 best economy, but we also have the 16th worst standard of living in the UK compared to a lot of european countries.

Hmmm....

This was a few years before the BBC got scared into a corner
(during the Iraq occupation ... the Andrew Gilligan affair).

Also It highlighted the Gross Mismanagemnt in for example the NHS & Public & Private sector.
Hence the taxes & compartively lower wages.

The working class has nearly Always got shafted one way or another by governments.

Immigration is not a problem, what is a problem is non working immigrants,
and these are Far Less in number than Native English not working and caliming benefits.
The Working immigrant contributes significantly to the economy &
generally employ themselves : often in their own business
& create jobs for Native English.
So one cant say they are taking our jobs.

There is also a "culture" seeping through the country affecting particulalry the young Native
that they can get by without core values as hard work, vocation etc.

Many know about how our economy is partially supported by "3rd" world countires.

However,
apart from Mismangemnt
the biggest problem is the population number.

One can only wonder
How a "1st" world country that is so small in size
can have 60 million people (immigrants are approx 6million).
It is a number expectted in "3rd" world countires.
THIS is a Major contributing factor to the state of the economy.
Imagine if we had only 20 million people.
Things probably would be much better ... but I am sure the govt would still manage to cock it up.

[SHARPBLUE]

Immigration is not a problem, what is a problem is non working immigrants,
and these are Far Less in number than Native English not working and caliming benefits.
The Working immigrant contributes significantly to the economy &
generally employ themselves : often in their own business
& create jobs for Native English.
So one cant say they are taking our jobs..

Try telling that to my friend Mike Jackson and 112 other british workers who were recently made redundant from their warehouse jobs at a manufacturing plant in Swindon, the plant did nothing for two weeks and then changed the job description and re-employed the same number of Polish and Cosovan immigrants! - it's being taken to the court of employees rights at the moment and has kicked up a lot of stink in the town. Needless to say most of them went on a BNP rally recently.

[BnM]

Sorry to hear that.

Due to our governments wanting to further our own economy,
this & worse has been happeing to "3rd" world countires for the last 200 years.
How much did "we" care.

And since our governments were voted in by whoever
it is somewhat balancing the scales, poetic justice whatever one calls it
... with what will slowly happen to us in the "west".

[BnM]

Dude

Right now the Emirates, Dubai etc
is the place to be for redundant workers & others even.

1. Tax free
2. Superb wages.
3. LOTS of jobs.
4. VERY safe : almost No crime.
5. Women can go out at Any time Safely
(dressed fairly modestly of course)
Children can play safely & freely.
6. LOW cost of living. Food, health care, rent, property : is SO cheap it is ridiculous.
7. Big place, less people = more space.
8. Good for the heart to take a break for a few years or even more.

Lots of "Westerners" have bought property there: the average Joe, sports people, film stars.

[SHARPBLUE]

Dude

Right now the Emirates, Dubai etc
is the place to be for redundant workers & others even.

1. Tax free
2. Superb wages.
3. LOTS of jobs.
4. VERY safe : almost No crime.
5. Women can go out at Any time Safely
(dressed fairly modestly of course)
Children can play safely & freely.
6. LOW cost of living. Food, health care, rent, property : is SO cheap it is ridiculous.
7. Big place, less people = more space.
8. Good for the heart to take a break for a few years or even more.

Lots of "Westerners" have bought property there: the average Joe, sports people, film stars.

I am toying with the idea of working abroad - a friend of mine in Australia is setting up a business, she would like me to go over and be a part of it - not sure what to do yet. For the first time in ages I am nearly sorted out financially, so a clean break would be good.